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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 15:23:12 GMT -5
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 15:04:11 GMT -5
Gasp how do you know I read Zerohedge all the time?
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 13:47:27 GMT -5
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 11:42:37 GMT -5
I think you might find people referencing ancient players because I would wager the bulk of this board no longer play the game. I certainly don't but I do like a good argument/debate so I'll pop up every so often. I know someone who still plays and she enjoys it so that's another reason I kind of linger about in the shadows.
Anyway staff can do whatever they want but if they want to address player concerns however rational or irrational they are then they should change. If they don't want to address player concerns then they don't have too. It would appear (to the staff's credit) there have been steps here and there to handle reputation issues and historic bad feelings so.... maybe a little of this, a little of that.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 9:59:36 GMT -5
Aug 26, 2018 at 7:30am QuotePost Options Post by Jeshin on Aug 26, 2018 at 7:30am Explicitly and publicly limiting a vague and highly hyped rolecall to a very few is one of the reasons people discuss staff pets, staff favourites, staff friends, staff cliques, whatever. The very concept of a public rolecall with no transparency doesn't really inspire much confidence. Now to be fair to staff even nowadays I constantly see very adequate RPers doubt themselves and rather believe staff have favourites than put themselves out there and try. Sometimes it's less truth and more protection mechanicism. Sometimes it's more truth. I'm going to be frank, I skimmed this rolecall but as a rule of thumb if I were going to say I have special roles for X amount of people I might also emphasis strongly that this is part of a larger overarching plot on the game that all characters will be affected by and these roles are merely flashpoints from which staff will move out from and back to and out from again. The roles serve the game and all existing characters not this is for super special awesome characters. You know if that's how they're planning to do it. Coffee. ^ what I wrote Clearly my commentary is about the fact that role calls reinforce the perception of staff cliques, pets, and favoritism rightly or wrongly because of the history of it on the game. I then continued to go if you still -had- to have a rolecall you should probably downplay that the role themselves are special and that they are serving a metaplot narrative which is for all the players not just the chosen few. Far from being SJW it's just common sense to address you know the ill will the playerbase feels about these sorts of things. I also didn't say a paragraph And as noted I admit right in the middle there I barely read the rolecall and this is more of a generalization.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 20, 2018 12:55:34 GMT -5
They had a policy for rezzes, the deaths didn't qualify for the policy. Saying the storyteller or clan head or even the producer should have recognized that it deserved a rez (in that specific case) doesn't help because it is the policy which needs to be changed per my other posts.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 20, 2018 11:17:19 GMT -5
If they reviewed the policy, announced an update, acknowledged that it was an issue in the past but now in the future it will be resolved appropriately. I don't think people will be mad at future rezzes and instead be pleased the staff finally realized it was silly.
EDIT - To clarify I don't think there's any value in arguing about what they should have done. They had a policy. The deaths didn't follow the policy. The issue is they fix the policy to be reasonable but actually grant rezzes when appropriate. Crimcode nonsense should be appropriate. Use dissatisfaction of the past to create a more appealing future.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 19, 2018 16:57:44 GMT -5
What you are describing is not a lack of storyteller's to make the call but a lack of policy review.
A policy review would be something like this...
1) What constitutes a rez?
2) What are the most common denied rez requests?
3) Is our rez policy common sense and addressing situations our players feel require rez?
Now if you get rez request like I attacked a gith and it killed me, rez plox. Obviously that is a bad request and doesn't need to be reviewed, buuuuuuuuut if you get a shitton of rez request for crimcode and people are very unhappy with how crimcode functions or the ooc feels of those deaths you might want to A) Fix crimcode B) expand rez policy to address fringe cases.
PS - Also unequal enforcement is an issue. I once saw Shalnoosh's tuluki elf crimlord die in the Kuraci bar in tuluk because of crimcode nonsense. He was rezzed in 5 minutes. I put in a complaint at the time for the fact I had seen other people permadeath for similiar mistakes.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 18, 2018 15:36:04 GMT -5
Arx has hard code systems and permadeath and over 400 unique accounts with 5 staffers. It also has new systems being implemented every 6 months or so.
Haven has hard coded systems used to be much more populated and have 3 staffers of which only 1 actually does any plot and 2 others are just insane coders.
Armageddon does objectively have very little accomplished for its staff size. It is not debatable in any fashion if they have more than 5 staffers they exceed the staff count of most text-based games and the fact there is hardcode to assist them is a productivity multiplier not a negative.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 17, 2018 8:55:59 GMT -5
I don't think RRR can respond as he was banned from here? Not 100% on that but pretty sure if you go to the off-topic section stuff and the political thread there was a spat between Jcarter and RRR
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 7, 2018 14:18:57 GMT -5
I think I mixed up plots first.
I thought the cave was caused by the meteor but it seems like there are 2 holes in the ground with plots related to them. My bad.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 5, 2018 14:58:22 GMT -5
I think there was some announcement on the GDB about OOC communication being bad and ruining plots and how they caught these 2 players and now they had to cancel the plot or something. Check the news/announcements on GDB. The gist of it though was there was a meteor strike, created a cave/cavern/underground spot, GMHs were all into trying to find metal or something out of it, why investigating the cave people got mindbender effects on them or something, Allanak was obviously interested in it, then it all got put on pause.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 4, 2018 17:31:13 GMT -5
Idle speculation returned
Hey remember 1-2 years ago when the GMHs were investigating that meteorite with the weird mindbender side effects in the death cave and then someone 'spoiled' it OOC and they nuked the plot. I wonder if it's been over a year and they're ready to trot out a revamp of it? Seeeeeeeeeems like it.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 3, 2018 1:10:24 GMT -5
Was the description of events and the # of characters and the 'types' of characters soft admission of being a staffer trying to engage with the community? If so I think the general consensus has always been if staff came here (or anywhere not moderated by them) and said. I am staff, I am this staff, I am speaking my person non-staff opinion or official staff opinion. That would probably get you razzed but a fair few people would try it out see if it led to anything productive in terms of dialogue.
If it is not soft admission of being staff is it against the rules to discuss that information? If yes, welcome to the rulebreakers!
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Post by Jeshin on Aug 26, 2018 9:30:28 GMT -5
Explicitly and publicly limiting a vague and highly hyped rolecall to a very few is one of the reasons people discuss staff pets, staff favourites, staff friends, staff cliques, whatever. The very concept of a public rolecall with no transparency doesn't really inspire much confidence. Now to be fair to staff even nowadays I constantly see very adequate RPers doubt themselves and rather believe staff have favourites than put themselves out there and try. Sometimes it's less truth and more protection mechanicism. Sometimes it's more truth.
I'm going to be frank, I skimmed this rolecall but as a rule of thumb if I were going to say I have special roles for X amount of people I might also emphasis strongly that this is part of a larger overarching plot on the game that all characters will be affected by and these roles are merely flashpoints from which staff will move out from and back to and out from again. The roles serve the game and all existing characters not this is for super special awesome characters. You know if that's how they're planning to do it.
Coffee.
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