Mage curses? C'mon.

wasn't this always kind of the case before full mage guilds got removed?

have small random uncontrolled bad or good affects happen after ur char spends a certain amt of time with them however only mages with skills past a certain lvl have a significant chance of randomly affecting ppl that way u can still mostly play an unmanifested witch but still have the real but supersmall risk of getting outed just due to being a freak

u could link the cantrips to specific spells but thatd be dumb because gamey bitches would guildsniff even worse than they already do

theyre freaks of nature no reason not to enforce realistic rp thru coded consequences when nothing else works to get ppl to follow the docs otherwise

They don't play like they're scary. My mundanes are way more scary.

You go sit in the Gaj and ten gorgeously perfect human beings with gems will flounce in and sit at the bar beside you. You see them drink, you see them eat, you see them flirting. What's scary about them? They don't know how to do scary. There's no menace. The ones you run into outside? They're just some scrub killing a gortok trying to keep you from knowing they have any magic. By the time they ever let you know they're an evil witch they're still going to just be Jenny-from-the-block.

Yeah this is actually reminiscent of the Nessalin era. People would assume that because they had more karma than you, they were better role-players. Since they couldn't really tell from your current character how much karma you had, essentially anybody playing a half-giant or better back then pretty much would feel entitled to take a dump on the role-play of anybody playing a 0-karma character. When even the staff were saying that karma was really a measure of trust, typically established through time, not a measure of capability.

It just basically sounds like some of these guys are getting a point of karma, and then they suddenly want to be the role-play police.

People who are playing mages, please understand: No, we don't look up to you.



Sounds like that would effectively make most 0-karma characters unplayable. So they want pretty much a soft-PK capability?




Yeah you run into this tendency in GDB posters a lot. They tend to assume that all of the other players are daffodils in real life, whom would flee from the first sign of danger. They then expect everyone to play characters that are in-line with their perception of your real life fortitude. Meanwhile they pretty much only want to play hit-men and commandos.
So their magic-wielding characters are...capable of using magic, and completely unafraid of it. Yet they expect your character (who grew up around muls and gemmed and Templars, if they're urbanites) to be completely afraid of the forces that their characters chose to embrace. Not a double standard at all.

I mean, most nobles can't interact with mages. Most Templars work with mages professionally, but don't want to be seen cozying up to mages. Employees of the Great Houses can't be seen socializing with mages. People who contract with the Great Houses have images to maintain as well. Who does that leave, obsidian miners? Please. Some obsidian miner his having a beer with a gemmed in the Gaj, and it's bothering people I guess.

"Rock is fine," said paper, "nerf scissors."



Yeah, I agree. I hate to push responsibility onto the players, but if the mages aren't eating enough of the commoners...then who are we supposed to blame when commoners stop being afraid of the mages?

The whole proposal sounds dumb.

I have another take on all of this entirely. I mean I can understand how when the Staff (back in 1998?) decided to move the MUD away from it's hack and slash roots, they had to convince people that...no, a cannibal halfling and a desert elf raider/mage and a templar couldn't all have a beer in the Sun King's Sanctuary together, anymore. Times changed.

But I'd argue that player role-play maturity has improved dramatically over the last five years. Most players, people whom I'd assume to be 0-karma players, seem to get that magic is evil, elves are untrustworthy, & etc. I don't think that draconian rules are necessary to prevent a mage/commoner cuddle-puddle. I just don't genuinely think that sort of problem is a realistic possibility in this day and age.

People who are playing Armageddon, are playing Armageddon because they want to create a living story and yes, to power game.

I actually think extended commoner/mage interaction is an overall positive thing. It's a step closer to Dark Sun's theme of mutliethnic, multi-class parties of wanderers with diverse alignments and motives banding together to intrepidly explore the unknown, right wrongs, wrong rights, crush their foes or pursue obsidian coins. The difference between Tolkein/Forgotten Realms and Armageddon is that in Armageddon you're pretty much trying to get the same job done on a third of the budget, armed with only a bone sword while being pursued by mind-benders and giant beetles. It's like Dungeons & Dragons for masochists and survivalists.

Of course if people are playing their characters right, tension between mages and commoners should remain high. But role-play maturity of the current crop of players is actually pretty high.

Wait... so giving people even more reason to suck up to and mudsex mages for dem rings... and less reason to adhere to the docs and openly hate mages?

Why?

And here's the real rub ...

It's not Joe Grebber 0 karma dude who is spending all his mudsex time with the beautiful gemmer youth girl with kalan-sized boobs. She wouldn't give that guy so much as a glance during all her Gaj-sitting time.

It's the sponsored roles. The nobles, the Templars. The guys who have survived 5 fucking real-life years by playing from their phone and never leaving the city and logging off at the first sign of danger.

I hope like hell that staff isn't seriously entertaining these wet dream notions these players are posting on the forum.

Yeah, absolutely.

But those 'trusted', 'better roleplay' characters are asking for the penalty to be placed on THE OTHER GUY.

Place it on them. Place it on the better roleplay characters. And, I dunno, maybe when that Templar is humping that gemmer raw then have the black robes find out about it.