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Post by Jeshin on Oct 21, 2018 18:37:59 GMT -5
I know a few people who are aware of the rolecall plot (they think) and were not part of the rolecall. It seems interesting, maybe a little creepy. It's a magick plot but seems to primarily target non-gickers. I believe it is happening not in Allanak so if you're playing in the primary hub you'll want to head to Morin's, Luir's Blackwing, Redstorm.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 6, 2018 22:42:30 GMT -5
It does have coded combat with stances and various kinds of weapons and skills
Stats
Physical Social Mental
Strength: 5 Charm: 3 Intellect: 3
Dexterity: 5 Command: 2 Perception: 2
Stamina: 5 Composure: 2 Wits: 3
Special Stats
Mana: 2 Luck: 2 Willpower: 4
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Skills
Athletics: 3 Brawl: 3 Dodge: 5 Intimidation: 3
Investigation: 3 Linguistics: 1 Medium wpn: 5 Ride: 1
Stealth: 1 Survival: 5 Teaching: 4 War: 1
In addition to coded combat there are instances where you will be asked to make a @check which is like a tabletop roll. So if you are in a PRP (event/RPT) the GM might go make an @check dexterity + weapon of choice at 30 and then they'll post the outcome.
As for crafting there are raw materials but for the most part you buy them from the market. There is currency and a resource system Military, Economic, and Social which have varying uses. Crafting is a thing and weapons / armor have stats there are also non-combat items like clothing but as it's a MUSH you can wear no clothing and just emote having an appropriate attire. If you want super rare stuff like above silk and rare gems you need to buy them. @actions are actually a lot better than you might think because they enable a staff of 5-6 to manage a playerbase of 100s.
Example: I want to expand a settlement in my domain. I get people to assist, I get the resources and silver to do it, I put in the action. Staff get to it in about 2-4 weeks (due to the number of actions they process) and go this is what happened this is the outcome and then they update the appropriate domain stats like income, population, buildings, etc. In addition you can do an @action to make hostile tribes kneel to your House or wipe them out or create social pressure or just about anything you can properly articulate to staff. You can also request certain @actions are handled off screen (you get a summary of outcome) or on screen where a staffer GMs a PRP/Event/RPT for you and normally up to 5 other people.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 4, 2018 12:26:10 GMT -5
This would be how you challenge perception...
You lower the bar
You say the bar is lowered
The CW have benefited from this lower bar
You say that they are just the first and hope others will be encouraged
The next indie group or player now needs to benefit from the lowered bar
You will say look here another example, you will face skepticism
Another indie group or player benefits from the lowered bar
You now have a trend forming and the basis by which to argue either everyone is a staff puppet or there is a new policy in place. Ideally someone within the CW, 2nd group, 3rd group is someone who posts on this board and after they die they can share their experience thus corroborating the change in approach.
I personally have not said that CW are staff pets and some others in this very thread have even said they don't want to demean the accomplishment of the CW, they merely want to see more people make similiar accomplishments. Until more people do then you'll have difficulty because they are the exception that proves the rule instead of the rule themselves.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 4, 2018 12:07:42 GMT -5
I would point out of course the fact Armageddon manages to support its own forum with ups and down in activity might imply that it is in need of more objective consideration.
Also on MSB some games dominant the discussion. It used to be a game called Firan which would be like an RPI version of a MUSH. Now Arx, Paris of the West, Horror MUX, and Calavera all seem to be the primary games discussed (not all of it bad).
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 4, 2018 12:00:40 GMT -5
I don't know, if I knew their name I'd say it!
As for this thread I thought the point of it was that CW is good and more groups/people should get whatever they got and/or maybe the bar for receiving staff 'boons' should be lower to promote a more diverse game environment with more raiding groups or indie groups?
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 4, 2018 11:54:07 GMT -5
I mean you assume that this forum generated the weird dude who is griefing people. It could just as easily be someone from Goonswarm who likes RP games and wants to troll Armageddon and learned of this board. Could be some rando from reddit who likewise wants to get the lawlz. We don't know the account they're posting on isn't an old account is it? No indication they've been a long time poster? Then even if they were a long time poster I don't see a general consensus on this forum that the correct path of action is griefing people with PKs with no IC merit so you couldn't play guilty by association realistically anyway.
MSB is Musoapbox it's basically like OptionalRealities/Jcarter forums for MUSH/MUX/MU*s where game owners are called out on inappropriate behaviour and problematic players are haraunged and outed so they can be banned from games. Used to be known as WORA.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 4, 2018 11:50:12 GMT -5
I didn't say it was unfair. You said name a group of people. Gickers band together and form rogue enclaves all the time, I don't know if that whiran or other whirans had confederates that they worked with. I don't even know specifically what CW did beyond they raided some folk. I don't play.
I do know of a non-raiding group that setup on some mountain top somewhere with a bunch of different gickers. They had a sorc and an lightning mage and a couple vivs and some jazz. They had some rare non-hostile mount NPCs that spawned up there. The an-something. There was one up for grabs at Luirsfest if you managed to tame it in the pit while everyone watched.
At least I'm trying to answer your questions!
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 4, 2018 11:41:02 GMT -5
Jcarter removed personal information from the leaks and he didn't post them with the personal information and even offered to remove any further information that people found.
I don't quite see how he (or me) or the people who run MSB or the people who run TMC are responsible for any behaviour they condemn and censor on their various forums.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 4, 2018 9:04:34 GMT -5
"Name another group of people who didn't die out in as long a time it took CW to get their hq and who didnt get staff support."
Unlike you I don't have access to top level knowledge of IC events that far back. You said name another group, I said how about Howl's/Soh and I indicated they have a base but didn't think they got any staff 'boons' as you call it.
What about that wind witch near the end of tuluk who would go around to the normal hunting spots and create gicker summons and then invis them so when you walked in to fight the tembo you got gang raped... Does that count as raiding, he did that for like 6 months I think.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 4, 2018 8:58:49 GMT -5
You know when there was the wiki leak or code leak, forget which one, Noted Liar Nergal attacked me on TMC under the name Noted Liar Nergal. He wanted -me- to denounce the leaks and admit Optionalrealities was a baddie website. Even though I never asked for the leaks, had no involvement in the leaks, and they weren't even hosted on my forums at the time. Kind of seems like if a producer of a game publicly calls you out and there was never an apology or counter statement issued that the staff 100% approves of denouncing things for the sake of morality.
I didn't but Optionalrealities (just like here) had a no tolerance policy to threats of violence and ooc harassment and we were the 'raiders' according to Nimrod from SOI.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 3, 2018 17:34:35 GMT -5
Didn't the Soh near the end with Howls at moon or whatever raid for ages. I mean I know that they had a home base as part of a clan but...
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 3, 2018 15:33:01 GMT -5
I think TMS nuked the archives from orbit.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 1, 2018 17:58:44 GMT -5
The flaw is not the foundation of the game. The flaw is the lack of development of the game.
1) Investigation updates. Enabling characters to piece together pertinent information of a death without outright saying who adjusts the risk/reward ratio of resorting to PK 2) Prestige/Influence quantified. This gives noble houses metrics to judge their influence by and you can even tie modifiers to this. Arx does this very well (as an example) Haven does this medicore (as a secondary example) 3) Temporary States. Haven has rituals which are poorly implemented but allow characters to target one another with non-lethal affects which affect gameplay. This should be considered a starting point. 4) I was going to keep going but the point is there are 100% game developments that can be done that are not pursued in any way shape or form.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 1, 2018 16:38:14 GMT -5
I wasn't blaming the characters I am pointing out how higher karma characters can be seen as more prone to PK. Whether it is PK happy or an issue born from gameplay issues doesn't change the optics of it.
Probably does encourage a review by staff to change the status quo if they want to enable more solutions than PK.
In truth game theory is the issue with all PK escalation concerns.
In a game where anything short of PK is not a solution but an invitation to escalate it behooves players to PK first and early. Only by discouraging PK as a solution (in Allanak for politics) do other options become more viable. The other issue is that how are noble houses supposed to compete in a mechanically meaningful way? If you cannot affect the income, the prestige, or the day to day play of a Houses characters then you cannot affect the house. You can kill people off though. That affects the house ergo it is used.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 1, 2018 16:06:07 GMT -5
As a brief aside... the higher karma your role the more you have to lose. Also as a rule of thumb the higher karma your role the less welcome you are in 'civil society'. It is par for the course for muls, sorcs, and mindbenders to resort to PK moreso than other types of characters. It's a simple risk/reward scenario. Do I feel this person represents a high threat of bringing a mob/templar/gicker strike force down upon me. If yes then you are almost forced to kill them or reap the future death of your character. If no then you don't need to kill them.
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