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Post by Jeshin on Oct 1, 2018 14:30:15 GMT -5
So if I am reading this right...
Adhira posted the real reason that Nergal was gone. He volunteered to leave staff.
Then Adhira posted separately on the staff board that after Nergal left there would be new policies which may or may not have been inspired by his tenure.
Your reply was kind of vague and hard to parse.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 1, 2018 0:24:06 GMT -5
I mean on a forum where the staff are discussed it is pertinent to multiple debates whether 'forced out' means forced out or not. Given that someone is saying that the staff announced it was voluntary and thus Noted Liar Nergal hadn't done anything wrong.
It's less nitpicking and asking for verification of implication.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 30, 2018 18:01:00 GMT -5
The Garrison vs The Byn
Conflict: Transit Protection
Area: Red Desert
Summary: The Byn has lost funds when the Merchant Houses formalized their relationship with Kurac and Luirs. Now the Garrison supports incoming and outbound merchant caravans and VIPs. The Garrison needs to do this for relations because if Luirs becomes less safe to travel too the new Merchant alliance might fray in addition the Garrison ostensibly does this for free as part of their duties. The Byn is losing lucrative wagon/argossy/agent contracts and they need to stay above water. The easy transit protection is valuable because they're less likely to die.
Objective: Create a small rest stop between Allanak and Luirs and charge entry while using it for your own escort missions.
Outline: Both the Byn and the Garrison have to scout areas, staff will give them a list of possible locations, all locations are shared so there is interest in them. Before an outpost can be secured the PCs need to meet certain occupancy limits like... I don't know X amount of hours camped out in those spots doing RPTs to clear out immediate threats. Both the Garrison and the Byn are given private bounty rewards for dressing up like raiders and disrupting the others attempts. Eventually you create some safe rooms out in the desert charge 100 sid to get in unless you're with Byn/Garrison officer whoever wins the conflict. Profit for all and then just you know make a secondary plot line to attack this outpost and burn it to the ground and start it all over. Give some fun prestige and bonuses to having it up and running. Higher pay, whatever.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 30, 2018 10:56:43 GMT -5
I wonder if this is some kind of insane litmus test to see if a specified ooc pk will get retconned and a rez given out. Like some kind of poorly re-enacted...
Crap what was that movie where the guy was on death row for a murder he didn't commit as a way to protest the death penalty had to do with a bag over someones head... was it Kevin Spacey?
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 15:23:12 GMT -5
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 15:04:11 GMT -5
Gasp how do you know I read Zerohedge all the time?
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 13:47:27 GMT -5
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 11:42:37 GMT -5
I think you might find people referencing ancient players because I would wager the bulk of this board no longer play the game. I certainly don't but I do like a good argument/debate so I'll pop up every so often. I know someone who still plays and she enjoys it so that's another reason I kind of linger about in the shadows.
Anyway staff can do whatever they want but if they want to address player concerns however rational or irrational they are then they should change. If they don't want to address player concerns then they don't have too. It would appear (to the staff's credit) there have been steps here and there to handle reputation issues and historic bad feelings so.... maybe a little of this, a little of that.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 9:59:36 GMT -5
Aug 26, 2018 at 7:30am QuotePost Options Post by Jeshin on Aug 26, 2018 at 7:30am Explicitly and publicly limiting a vague and highly hyped rolecall to a very few is one of the reasons people discuss staff pets, staff favourites, staff friends, staff cliques, whatever. The very concept of a public rolecall with no transparency doesn't really inspire much confidence. Now to be fair to staff even nowadays I constantly see very adequate RPers doubt themselves and rather believe staff have favourites than put themselves out there and try. Sometimes it's less truth and more protection mechanicism. Sometimes it's more truth. I'm going to be frank, I skimmed this rolecall but as a rule of thumb if I were going to say I have special roles for X amount of people I might also emphasis strongly that this is part of a larger overarching plot on the game that all characters will be affected by and these roles are merely flashpoints from which staff will move out from and back to and out from again. The roles serve the game and all existing characters not this is for super special awesome characters. You know if that's how they're planning to do it. Coffee. ^ what I wrote Clearly my commentary is about the fact that role calls reinforce the perception of staff cliques, pets, and favoritism rightly or wrongly because of the history of it on the game. I then continued to go if you still -had- to have a rolecall you should probably downplay that the role themselves are special and that they are serving a metaplot narrative which is for all the players not just the chosen few. Far from being SJW it's just common sense to address you know the ill will the playerbase feels about these sorts of things. I also didn't say a paragraph And as noted I admit right in the middle there I barely read the rolecall and this is more of a generalization.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 20, 2018 12:55:34 GMT -5
They had a policy for rezzes, the deaths didn't qualify for the policy. Saying the storyteller or clan head or even the producer should have recognized that it deserved a rez (in that specific case) doesn't help because it is the policy which needs to be changed per my other posts.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 20, 2018 11:17:19 GMT -5
If they reviewed the policy, announced an update, acknowledged that it was an issue in the past but now in the future it will be resolved appropriately. I don't think people will be mad at future rezzes and instead be pleased the staff finally realized it was silly.
EDIT - To clarify I don't think there's any value in arguing about what they should have done. They had a policy. The deaths didn't follow the policy. The issue is they fix the policy to be reasonable but actually grant rezzes when appropriate. Crimcode nonsense should be appropriate. Use dissatisfaction of the past to create a more appealing future.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 19, 2018 16:57:44 GMT -5
What you are describing is not a lack of storyteller's to make the call but a lack of policy review.
A policy review would be something like this...
1) What constitutes a rez?
2) What are the most common denied rez requests?
3) Is our rez policy common sense and addressing situations our players feel require rez?
Now if you get rez request like I attacked a gith and it killed me, rez plox. Obviously that is a bad request and doesn't need to be reviewed, buuuuuuuuut if you get a shitton of rez request for crimcode and people are very unhappy with how crimcode functions or the ooc feels of those deaths you might want to A) Fix crimcode B) expand rez policy to address fringe cases.
PS - Also unequal enforcement is an issue. I once saw Shalnoosh's tuluki elf crimlord die in the Kuraci bar in tuluk because of crimcode nonsense. He was rezzed in 5 minutes. I put in a complaint at the time for the fact I had seen other people permadeath for similiar mistakes.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 18, 2018 15:36:04 GMT -5
Arx has hard code systems and permadeath and over 400 unique accounts with 5 staffers. It also has new systems being implemented every 6 months or so.
Haven has hard coded systems used to be much more populated and have 3 staffers of which only 1 actually does any plot and 2 others are just insane coders.
Armageddon does objectively have very little accomplished for its staff size. It is not debatable in any fashion if they have more than 5 staffers they exceed the staff count of most text-based games and the fact there is hardcode to assist them is a productivity multiplier not a negative.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 17, 2018 8:55:59 GMT -5
I don't think RRR can respond as he was banned from here? Not 100% on that but pretty sure if you go to the off-topic section stuff and the political thread there was a spat between Jcarter and RRR
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 7, 2018 14:18:57 GMT -5
I think I mixed up plots first.
I thought the cave was caused by the meteor but it seems like there are 2 holes in the ground with plots related to them. My bad.
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