Post by BitterFlashback on Sept 16, 2014 21:22:25 GMT -5
I kinda got this idea while watching people on the gdb politly shalacking Nyr and the staff. so in honor of all those folks who still havent escaped to this board. and who risk their karma and accounts not taking it like a bitch. Im gonna dedicate this thread to you.
Even if youre normally an apologist, fanboy, or retarded, if you say something rebellious or unironicly worth immortalizing before the staff redact it, here it'll go. (i say this mostly because the idea of seeing if someone is normally a dick prior to giving them this small honor bores the shit outof me.)
Even if youre normally an apologist, fanboy, or retarded, if you say something rebellious or unironicly worth immortalizing before the staff redact it, here it'll go. (i say this mostly because the idea of seeing if someone is normally a dick prior to giving them this small honor bores the shit outof me.)
manonfire
Re: Change implemented for sorcerers - gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,48060.200.html
I dunno, Reiloth, anytime I've seen a discussion here where players consistently express their malcontent, it ends up running into the old "this is how things are, sorry you don't like it, you can always go play another game" wall.
These threads aren't really for discussion of changes imo (ideally, staff would discuss those changes with the players beforehand and ask for input, but that ain't the world we live in) it's more about people expressing their opinions (good or bad) for as long as it takes for initial reactions to fade away and the thread to be abandoned.
Personally, I'm pretty ambivalent about the changes. I imagine the hybrid classes will be interesting to play - what bothers me the most is there wasn't any sort of event IG that led to these changes (as far as I know). The PCs running those sorcerers were left holding a bag of shit with no real logical way to move forward with their characters.
It's unfortunate that the opportunity wasn't seized to do something truly cool with the change, and in my mind, that's fairly indicative of how the game has evolved in the last ten years.
Re: Change implemented for sorcerers - gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,48060.200.html
I dunno, Reiloth, anytime I've seen a discussion here where players consistently express their malcontent, it ends up running into the old "this is how things are, sorry you don't like it, you can always go play another game" wall.
These threads aren't really for discussion of changes imo (ideally, staff would discuss those changes with the players beforehand and ask for input, but that ain't the world we live in) it's more about people expressing their opinions (good or bad) for as long as it takes for initial reactions to fade away and the thread to be abandoned.
Personally, I'm pretty ambivalent about the changes. I imagine the hybrid classes will be interesting to play - what bothers me the most is there wasn't any sort of event IG that led to these changes (as far as I know). The PCs running those sorcerers were left holding a bag of shit with no real logical way to move forward with their characters.
It's unfortunate that the opportunity wasn't seized to do something truly cool with the change, and in my mind, that's fairly indicative of how the game has evolved in the last ten years.
Ouroboros
Re: Change implemented for sorcerers
I think such discussions would go a lot smoother if everyone, on both sides, remembers that staff members come from the ranks of players. A player's opinion is just as valid as a staff member's opinion, because they're two sides of the same coin. Every single staff member was once a player, who more than likely expressed their opinion on the GDB and was at one point or another shot down by a staff member. Their personality and way of thinking didn't change just because they were brought into staff, and whatever good or bad opinions they had as players came with them.
I'm sure Nyr was just as much an.... er, was just as much himself when he was a player, as he is a staff member. My arguments with him in particular aren't of the staff vs player mentality, because I don't subscribe to that notion. I'd be off on another forum if I did. They're just different views expressed between two admittedly stubborn and passionate members of this community. But his opinion is by default no better on a subject matter than my own or anyone else's opinion, just because he's in a position to enforce his. However well-informed by facts, both are still opinions and conclusions based on said facts and just as likely to be faulty as true.
Re: Change implemented for sorcerers
Quote from: manonfire
I dunno, Reiloth, anytime I've seen a discussion here where players consistently express their malcontent, it ends up running into the old "this is how things are, sorry you don't like it, you can always go play another game" wall.
I dunno, Reiloth, anytime I've seen a discussion here where players consistently express their malcontent, it ends up running into the old "this is how things are, sorry you don't like it, you can always go play another game" wall.
I think such discussions would go a lot smoother if everyone, on both sides, remembers that staff members come from the ranks of players. A player's opinion is just as valid as a staff member's opinion, because they're two sides of the same coin. Every single staff member was once a player, who more than likely expressed their opinion on the GDB and was at one point or another shot down by a staff member. Their personality and way of thinking didn't change just because they were brought into staff, and whatever good or bad opinions they had as players came with them.
I'm sure Nyr was just as much an.... er, was just as much himself when he was a player, as he is a staff member. My arguments with him in particular aren't of the staff vs player mentality, because I don't subscribe to that notion. I'd be off on another forum if I did. They're just different views expressed between two admittedly stubborn and passionate members of this community. But his opinion is by default no better on a subject matter than my own or anyone else's opinion, just because he's in a position to enforce his. However well-informed by facts, both are still opinions and conclusions based on said facts and just as likely to be faulty as true.
