Jeshin
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 14, 2016 22:59:31 GMT -5
You know in all political campaigns they're like... Speak up. Speak up now and together. Do it and you'll be heard. Our cause is just and cannot be denied. Staffers going to the trouble of calling out Nessalin (and Nyr and even other staff from other games) over their bullshit is kind of like an election. If you think it's wrong, stand up. If you feel like bluntness will work against you, be diplomatic. Sitting around going, well I disagree with this and this and this but I keep my head down to do animations doesn't really help a game.
You just end up with a shadowboard and/or community.
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Post by Jeshin on Aug 17, 2016 2:06:38 GMT -5
Didn't Tek's daughter Ms. MetalArm already like assume power and/or start the black robe rebellion or something? I could have sworn she took power and/or is sharing it with 2 other people right now?
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Post by Jeshin on Aug 13, 2016 15:34:01 GMT -5
Someone who still actively plays told me about this on discord, I joked with them that they should expect game of thrones kind of stuff to start showing up in the world.
Maybe the dragon is coming back from the moon to fuck the world up again. (dragons return to westros)
The fire worshipping religion begins coming out strong again from the Northlands / Sun king. (see rylor or whatever, red priestess)
etc etc, you get the idea.
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 29, 2016 23:39:55 GMT -5
Listen son (I'm calling you son because I am being a dick). Unless IsFriday killed you with a sexually flirtatious fme character that complained about being sexually objectified, you haven't experienced the true IsFriday ride.
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 29, 2016 18:27:05 GMT -5
Listen I don't care who did what to whomever. But if you're going to copypaste a GDB gem at least provide some context and/or link or save the whole thread or something. Come on!
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 29, 2016 12:52:16 GMT -5
context / story / gossip / link to thread?
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 20, 2016 19:19:54 GMT -5
There are certain things that we are taught via media and personal interaction to recognize. These are things that for the most part of instinctive and while you could go about describing the exact manner in which you look pleased, someone may fail to recognize you're pleased. What happens if I do a mechanical emote describing my pleased-ness and the noble I am sitting with says "You are not pleased?" and then I reply, "No m'Lord, I am quite pleased." I have gone from showing to telling and added in confusion.
Looking rather pleased with himself, Jeshin crosses his arms over his chest and looks down at Amos. "Lesson one, don't get cocky kid."
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Looking down at Amos, Jeshin crosses his arms over his chest and flashes a grin. "Lesson one, don't get cocky kid."
Functionally they're the same but I think the 1st imparts a bit more insight into the character without overtly telling someone. Another example...
Jeshin rolls his eyes in exasperation before turning to leave the training yard.
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Jeshin rolls his eyes before turning to leave the training yard.
In the second one I could be rolling my eyes in annoyance or disgust or indifference or whatever.
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 19, 2016 22:35:35 GMT -5
I don't actually think the ARM playerbase is "bad". I think that they RP what the situation is and in my examples with elves in Tuluk under Sinjinn and gickers in general there isn't really a downside to allying with these anti-establishment or anti-social forces. Why?
In the case of Sinjinn and the elves, the dude like ran Tuluk. He had Qoriya if not in his pocket then in his corner. You were better off playing ball or sucking up than trying to treat him like shit because then you get knifed in the throat and your character is dead.
In the case of gickers, befriending one yields pretty big advantages in not just code but also access to plot (like sirra said). Normally the association isn't even bad because if Blue Robes or whatever find out what you're doing you have better odds that they use you as an informant on the rogue gickers or ask you to do special tasks with your rogue gicker ties because you and them are expendable. Doesn't sound that bad to me.
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 19, 2016 18:03:48 GMT -5
Except you're describing a coded scenario. If whoever had been messing with you had become visible at some point would you guys have been like. HI STRANGER, HAVE YOU SEEN THE GHOST?
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 19, 2016 12:46:52 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the only reason. It would be an enforcing reason. Not only that but the playerbase (in the past) has pretty much shown that if there isn't a coded consequence then they'll do whatever they want. It's kind of like a MUSH player saying that you don't need to code in perma-death or combat code because they'd rather deal with the bad RPers than have coded requirements to resolve story.
Instead of adding code though you could always update documentation. You know gickers eat babies, gickers become less human over time, gickers like to mess with mere mortals. Whatever. Like I said in theory half-breeds shouldn't need code because their social stigma backlash is based on them being unstable and untrustworthy. Which is true. Elves likewise are all thieves, it's part of their culture so the social stigma there is also true. Dwarves are all goal obsessed little bastards who don't know how to use punctuation, so the social stigma about them being driven but "selfish" or focused on a specific thing is also true. In theory that means the gicker hate is also true but either documentation doesn't give gickers enough guidelines on how to RP being a soulless abomination or there isn't a coded factor to make it true.
Unless out of all social stigmas in ARM, gickers are the only innocently stigmatized group.
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 19, 2016 11:50:40 GMT -5
Is there some reason that you don't think applying some kind of risk to associating with gickers would benefit the game? Wouldn't it enable you to be like. I knew Amos but one day he stood to close to one of them krathi sorts and the gicker was doing his hojo mojo and his flame arms set poor Amos on fire. Gicker said that just happened sometimes. Like when gickers cast (might not be this way still) they would manifest signs of their element and the more powerful they were the more intense the manifestation. Just take that same code. Add a % chance that something bad might happen to a bystander. Bob's your uncle you're set. Then it becomes. Hey be scared of gickers while casting because you never know!
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 19, 2016 11:12:16 GMT -5
You act like I think Haven is a good game or has good incentivizing systems. The fact of the matter is that people ignore the documentation because their actual experiences in game are different. That is why you used to see people make alliances with rogue gickers and shit and benefit greatly from it even though they should be like pissing their pants terrified of a full branched elkros zipping around the desert. This is why Elves in Tuluk achieved absurb levels of power and influence when Sinjinn was in charge.
If there is no actual risk to associating with gickers or supporting elves over humans or dating a breed than it'll happen regardless of documentation. You can't pretend that in the past (haven't played ARM for years) that gicker fear or elf hate or breed hate wasn't a seriously underrepresented thing.
EDIT - Lets not forget that the docs aren't even followed by the staff themselves where House Borsail gained power via gickers, then hates gickers and their involvement in the city? Or any of the other weird double-standard/double-thinks that make very little sense which occur throughout the game.
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 19, 2016 10:36:05 GMT -5
If the stigma against gickers is purely social and not justified because they are in fact dangerous even when they're trying to be helpful, then befriending a gicker isn't bad it means you're able to overcome prejudice and take advantage of a relationship. It could be something simple like oh you're near a krathi (of whatever new flavor they come in) you have a higher % chance of getting sun sickness which is coded in game. Oh you're near a viv maybe you have a higher chance of getting disarmed because your hands are damp or you get drunk faster or maybe your thirst comes back quicker .
As for breeds, sure code up some STDs and have them come from breeds. That'd be great (if a bit sex centric). In theory the downside to socializing with a half-breed is that a well played half-breed is kind of unstable and has a bunch of baggage so someday they might fuck you over with their breediness.
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 19, 2016 9:23:15 GMT -5
Instead of docs being enforced on the game. Have the game enforce the docs. Add some element to gickers that make them actually dangerous to non-gickers besides social stigma and you're set. As long as your friendly neighborhood gicker has no downside like causing disease, blindness, genderswapping, famine, whatever. Then functionally there's not downside to associating with them because they were(are?) the most powerful people in the playerbase.
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 18, 2016 8:42:29 GMT -5
Yes, we all need parenting on the internet. Thank God for firm handed moderators of any community.
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