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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 6:01:33 GMT -5
Nah, we're cool. All this debate has done has reinforced my belief coding real-time scarring right into a MUD is far better than trusting people to be honest about applying it That is a badass idea, especially if you have a scar for each thing that can scar you which fills in the location into the mdesc of the scar, and if it goes from like 'a jagged scar' to 'a couple jagged scars' etc with successive hits to the area. *thumbs way way up*
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Post by BitterFlashback on May 14, 2014 8:05:01 GMT -5
Nah, we're cool. All this debate has done has reinforced my belief coding real-time scarring right into a MUD is far better than trusting people to be honest about applying it That is a badass idea, especially if you have a scar for each thing that can scar you which fills in the location into the mdesc of the scar, and if it goes from like 'a jagged scar' to 'a couple jagged scars' etc with successive hits to the area. *thumbs way way up* Totally! To be fair Id also have to have them fade over time.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 15:21:42 GMT -5
Critical hits should scar. Long jagged for slashing or chopping, puckered for pierce weapons, I don't know about bludgeoning. That would be awesome.
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Post by RogueCumSlinger on May 14, 2014 16:25:05 GMT -5
Critical hits should scar. Long jagged for slashing or chopping, puckered for pierce weapons, I don't know about bludgeoning. That would be awesome. Dents, pitted, disfigurement for face, etc. Bludgeoning too stronk desu
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Post by gloryhound on May 14, 2014 16:33:39 GMT -5
No one will want to fight the heavy hitters in sparring, otherwise your character would end up a walking mass of scar tissue by the end of his first year in-game.
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Post by jkarr on May 14, 2014 18:12:50 GMT -5
yeah i agree with dog, sure theres a pop. of pretties who'll never dare rp or tag a perm scar to their char after the umpteenth frightening slash from a live weapon, but keeping it this way prevents unrealistic shit from happening for permanent effects. for example, that 25+ hit from a blunted wooden sword to your helmet doesn't need to add a permanent scar to ur dome, but it will. i don't think a reworking of the code in this case is necessary to codedly do what u can do urself (rp it out, change ur tdesc and visit the scar trader) i like the idea of forcing the idiots to deal with game realism but i think ur idea, BitterFlashback, only adds more issues just to fix the 'beauty rhinohiders' exploit. u can always monitor their repeated abuse and send in a 'heads-up' player complaint + logs for that that said i think that flagging that code on the f-me combat chars that get the player complaints would make the best use of both our ideas, lol
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Post by legendary on May 14, 2014 19:01:06 GMT -5
It's sexist, a double standard, and frankly pretty fucking offensive. You seem to go looking for things to take offense to. I'm not sure if it's a persecution complex or if you're the type to enjoy acting the victim, but not unlike how feminists screaming at Larry King are a detriment to the credibility of the woman's rights movement, you're doing more harm to your cause than you realize. I want to establish first and foremost: I enjoyed playing with your characters when I had the chance and am comfortable saying they're often more interesting and fleshed out in far more minute detail than most others. I consider you one of the better players in the RPI community and have even used your descriptions as a reference for writing my own. However, those characters almost all fit a specific mold and share common themes, enough so that you were one of the easiest to spot players in my time playing the game. They were regularly beautiful, artistically inclined (singing, dancing), extremely horny and emotionally damaged, having been the victim of an often male-based abuse, rape or other similar trauma in their background. They're often elemental, "amping up" the victimized theme to a sometimes grating degree. You're a part of the image problem that plagues female characters. They're excellent, interesting and fun to play with, but many of them could pass for nobility or merchant elite instead of the grebbers and down-and-outs you portray them to be. The long speeches about how the poor should be able to huddle together by the half dozen in one room shanty apartments come across quite empty when your poor house characters are often sashaying from the warrens or the magick quarter with a look that could stop traffic on any street in L.A., never mind Zalanthas. It isn't that the point is invalid, but that it's hard to take seriously when you are known for beautiful, elegant and often times highly intelligent and educated characters that are supposedly so poor they need to do "things" for people to get by. You're claiming to stand for equality (homosexuality, women's rights, etc), but you're more often than not portraying women in the game as needy, sex-hungry victims of male malevolence, when the theme of the game promotes the genders as truly equal in all ways. Your views as a person and your preference for characters shouldn't reflect upon each other, but we're all human and unfortunately, that isn't necessarily how it works. The beautiful female, untouched by reality, is much more common than the counterpart male, to such a degree that it's questionable to make the comparison at all. The male PC population is much larger than the female, yet the females make up the vast, sweeping majority of the Paris runway models that seem to enjoy vacationing on Zalanthas as sword swinging Valkyrie's or 'roided out Hercules. How often have you seen "exotic" used in a male description? Sultry? Sensual? Well-endowed? How often do you see a male description or short description that has been shaped around how sizable their "privates" are? A certain Tor NPC notwithstanding, of course. A sizable bulge below the belt, indeed. Now, how often do you see the above in female characters? I have seen several characters in the last year with their gigantic breasts being so prominent, so lush and full, nearly bursting from their too-tight tops, nipples perpetually hardened and straining sensually against the taut fabric of their clothing (thank you, tdesc, thank you so much) that they've been used in short descriptions. Yes, at three leagues out, the most prominent feature of Barbie the armor-clad gith slayer are her titantic titties. "She's lost in the Red Desert! Send the Byn out! Tell them to look for the hot blonde with the huge rack, you can see them from leagues away, they'll spot her for sure!" If we were more moderate and more willing to play the plain and the average, not only would there be less of these "hateful" derails into the evils of beauty in the harsh, desert world, but when these characters do come along, people would treat them as the rare gems they were clearly intended to be, rather than "just another Aide / elemental / Byn Trooper" that is the current status quo. Just like magick, stealth and various other topics that come up and devolve into "realism vs playability vs preference" discussions, none of it would be an issue in the first place if we were all willing to walk a little closer to the line, even to the detriment of our characters. Since we're having that discussion, though... I find the overly beautiful far less a personal annoyance than the characters who come out of creation having already suffered the most horrific experiences of their lives, left scarred, mangled, torn and broken before they've even set foot into the game proper. At least with the excessively beautiful, they have the opportunity to suffer the realities of Zalanthas and become ugly over time with real horror stories to tell. The completely harrowed characters really have nothing to look forward to in that department, save for dismemberment and inevitable death. Even a near death experience against a scrab or a gith is hardly going to compare to the time someone tortured them for seven days and six nights over a gambling debt, really. I would rather have a beautiful woman or a handsome man come in, knowing that I can change that opulent appearance for the worst if it becomes necessary (even if I need to go through the staff to enforce it much of the time). There is room to threaten violence, scarring and extort them with it, where as a person who is already as ugly as they could possibly be has little to fear from the simple tavern threat of "I'll cut your face". What are you really going to do to him that hasn't already been done? The moderate road is the one with the most options, for everyone. There are always ways to beautify your character in game with real resources and interaction that is realistically limited by station and wealth, as well as an absolute bounty of options to become monstrously ugly, no matter who you are. It rarely comes up as a point of discussion, so I'm interested in seeing what people think.
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on May 14, 2014 19:20:41 GMT -5
F-ME COMBAT CHALLENGE IDEA:
>etwo chest You take hold of your massive melons with both hands. >etwo dick You take hold of your fourteen-inch cock with both hands.
The large breasted, golden haired teen attacks the handsome, well-groomed muscular young man! the handsome, well-groomed muscular young man solidly slaps the large breasted, golden haired teen's head. The large breasted, golden haired teen reels from the blow.
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Post by gloryhound on May 14, 2014 19:27:38 GMT -5
I nearly choked myself laughing at this one.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 20:13:49 GMT -5
Legendary: I call it Jessica Rabbit Syndrome.
"I'm not bad I'm just drawn this way."
Yeah right. And that bridge I have for sale? I just cut the price in half, just for you.
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Post by BitterFlashback on May 14, 2014 20:57:05 GMT -5
No one will want to fight the heavy hitters in sparring, otherwise your character would end up a walking mass of scar tissue by the end of his first year in-game. I did say they'd fade. More permanent scars would be from near-deadly wounds. Also with wooden training weapons Id think it'd make more sense to apply bruises rather than scars. yeah i agree with dog, sure theres a pop. of pretties who'll never dare rp or tag a perm scar to their char after the umpteenth frightening slash from a live weapon, but keeping it this way prevents unrealistic shit from happening for permanent effects. I won't miss them when they're gone. i like the idea of forcing the idiots to deal with game realism but i think ur idea, BitterFlashback, only adds more issues just to fix the 'beauty rhinohiders' exploit. u can always monitor their repeated abuse and send in a 'heads-up' player complaint + logs for that I am still in the planning phase for a mud codebase. Part of what I want to implement is making it possible to investigate a crime. The perp and vic taking visible damage that gives you an idea what happened to them even if you didnt witness it is a part of that. stuff the perp has to hide later, even if they were disguised when they did the crime, you know?
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Post by yaznokumf on May 14, 2014 21:03:26 GMT -5
Now, how often do you see the above in female characters? I have seen several characters in the last year with their gigantic breasts being so prominent, so lush and full, nearly bursting from their too-tight tops, nipples perpetually hardened and straining sensually against the taut fabric of their clothing (thank you, tdesc, thank you so much) that they've been used in short descriptions. Yes, at three leagues out, the most prominent feature of Barbie the armor-clad gith slayer are her titantic titties. "She's lost in the Red Desert! Send the Byn out! Tell them to look for the hot blonde with the huge rack, you can see them from leagues away, they'll spot her for sure!" This had me laughing...I do think breasts or body shape does belong in the mdesc, as it is something people would notice when looking at you. The sdesc is a little much in my opinion.
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Post by jkarr on May 14, 2014 21:06:37 GMT -5
I am still in the planning phase for a mud codebase. Part of what I want to implement is making it possible to investigate a crime. The perp and vic taking visible damage that gives you an idea what happened to them even if you didnt witness it is a part of that. stuff the perp has to hide later, even if they were disguised when they did the crime, you know? very cool idea and way to force realism and accountability, as well if sparring weapons are supernerfed from the same scarring code so u know fairly certain live weapons caused it.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 21:07:01 GMT -5
Shoot that Bynner. Which one? The one on the left with big breasts. Kah.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 22:35:01 GMT -5
However, those characters almost all fit a specific mold and share common themes, enough so that you were one of the easiest to spot players in my time playing the game. They were regularly beautiful, artistically inclined (singing, dancing), extremely horny and emotionally damaged, having been the victim of an often male-based abuse, rape or other similar trauma in their background. They're often elemental, "amping up" the victimized theme to a sometimes grating degree. You're a part of the image problem that plagues female characters. They're excellent, interesting and fun to play with, but many of them could pass for nobility or merchant elite instead of the grebbers and down-and-outs you portray them to be. The long speeches about how the poor should be able to huddle together by the half dozen in one room shanty apartments come across quite empty when your poor house characters are often sashaying from the warrens or the magick quarter with a look that could stop traffic on any street in L.A., never mind Zalanthas. It isn't that the point is invalid, but that it's hard to take seriously when you are known for beautiful, elegant and often times highly intelligent and educated characters that are supposedly so poor they need to do "things" for people to get by. You're claiming to stand for equality (homosexuality, women's rights, etc), but you're more often than not portraying women in the game as needy, sex-hungry victims of male malevolence, when the theme of the game promotes the genders as truly equal in all ways. Alright, let's talk about this, then. Not all of them have been abused but a substantial number have, yes. While we're championing for realism, let's take a look at actual statistics for that: 2/3 of sexual abuse victims are abused by someone they know, sexual abuse happens once every 2 minutes on average, the new york times statesthat 1 in 5 women in the US have been sexually assaulted and actually admit to it. But that's not a place where life is cheap and empty as Zalanthas, so let's look at somewhere a little more third world and desperate, eh? How about, say... Ugandawhere more than 50% of children have been sexually abused by the age of ten. Alright, though, let's move on to another point. How many people don't do -something- like sing or dance at some fucking point? You make it out like I'm playing bard after bard when in reality, I'm playing the equivalent of mostly people who would do something like sing in the shower's equivalent of singing to themselves while bored and alone, or rarely singing something to/for someone they are close to, or who MAY have an interest in music at some point. I have no IDEA where you're getting sex hungry from when the underlying thread of the relationships my pcs have ever had has been a craving for EMOTIONAL intimacy, not sexual. Because, you know, it's so ultrarealistic that people shouldn't want someone to trust or get close to. I'm sorry if the 'amping up the victim' has been perceived as being 'to a grating degree', I tend to roleplay out responses that are appropriate, aka different and unique, to each situation and circumstance, but I can tell you this: Of the three people who have sexually abused ME, AMANDA, I will never forget their faces. I will never have a day that it is not a cognizant fucking part of my life and a part of the things I process and face. I'm sorry that someone who has actually been abused is projecting that experience in a realistic way. The fact of the matter is, the vast majority of reported assaults are male on female, period, and in game, in my experience, the fifteen plus pcs of mine who have been raped? Every single rapist has been male. NOT all of my pcs are 'super goodlooking', but I do write their descriptions eloquently, and if they haven't had reason to have scars, they won't, and if they have, they do. Most of them have been sheltered, being young and totally lacking in experience, and the vast majority of my pcs (95%) -have- been noncombat pcs, like, you know, merchants, assassins who don't actually do combat, elementalists of some kind. They are poor when they are unskilled as all pcs are. And you know, when they get money, they don't tend to act desperate anymore, and most 13-14ish year olds (the vast majority of my pcs have been teenagers) who suddenly have their parents die/disappear/disown them DO wind up doing unpleasant, distasteful sex acts to get by, even on earth, I can't imagine it in Zalanthas, but yes, take that and combine it with someone who's soft, unblemished, and not particularly disfigured and it keeps you fed. You can critique it all you want, but the reality of it is, the only reason I've had pcs that have looked the way they have is because their backgrounds fit it, and because their guild and circumstances fit it as well. And if I'd played something different, they'd look different.. My rangers have had scars, several rangers, all with scars, but no, you're right, I'm not signing up to play the hulking, brutish woman, that's not my style, that's not what I enjoy playing. And yes, someone not used to being self sufficient who is a fucking adolescent with no trade skills OFTEN winds up being that poor. Say what you want. In fact, just for the fuck of it, I'll throw in a desc/eq list of a warlock I'm playing on Shattered Kingdoms as a good example. look self This half elf is short, and her face is all elf, with delicate features and almondine eyes, which contrasts sharply to her ample curves below the neck. She has pale skin, like fine ivory, and it has been criss-crossed with many aged, fine lined white scars from previous battles seen. Adorning her inner arms, from wrist to elbow, is a series of four circles, spaced equally down the length of her limbs, then filled with a symbol, scarred into her flesh, and with surgical precision: earth, air, fire, and water, in that order. An unfathomably black mane of hair falls to the base of her buttocks in loose, easy waves, the length of it shiny and healthy looking. Her eyes are a pale jade color, almost too pale for them to look natural. Her pointed chin, the narrow width of her jaw, defined cheeks, and a sharp widow's peak result in a heart shaped face which holds sensual lips, full and almost cruel looking on such a face. Scattered throughout the untamed waves of her piceous locks are myriad skinny braids which are each adorned with a dozen serpent fangs, a number of blood colored beads, and three lustrous, black feathers apiece. Overall, you are in excellent condition.
You are using: <worn on finger> a sea-blue band (superb) <worn on finger> a sea-blue band (superb) <worn around neck> a twisted brown root, curled into a necklace (superb) <worn around neck> a twisted violet root, curled into a necklace (superb) <worn on body> a blackened bronze muscle cuirass (brand new) <worn on head> a mask with the visage of an daemon (superb) <worn on legs> a pair of blackened bronze greaves (brand new) <worn on feet> a pair of green-bronzed instep guards (brand new) <worn on hands> a pair of dark studded leather gauntlets (superb) <worn on arms> a pair of blackened bronze vambraces (brand new) <worn about body> a mithril hip purse (brand new) <worn about waist> a black-leather armor belt (brand new) <worn around wrist> a sea-blue armband (superb) <worn around wrist> a sea-blue armband (brand new) <both hands> (Glowing) a steel pole-mace with an oak haft (superb) And yes, I fucking MAINTAIN that it is an issue with bias, double standards, and RL sexism. Because I can't play someone who isn't majorly disfigured and reacting realistically to fucked up circumstances without getting slagged about my play being a major disservice to equality when I am bringing realistic numbers based in actual facts and figures, and reactions based not only on personal experience but also on psychological study to the table, but when someone makes a pretty male that gets by on their looks (it's happened, one of them was the man-candy of my Oash noble), they are congratulated.
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