Taverns, the antithesis of RP

Gameplay dictates that you need an incentive to create a public location. If taverns didn't have some sort of implied protection against violence then everyone would just use apartments and in fact many people do.

Fun story: I once ran a tavern out of my apartment in game. It was one of the bigger ones, I left the front door unlocked when I was in there, and anyone who could get into the building would come on up. I kept a large collection of booze in there and would frequently have 5+ people bumming around. This was after they implemented the ability for city soldiers to bypass the doorkeeps so they would bring people up and hang out for a drink while off duty.

You left out 8) emote practice and 9) expecting other PCs to somehow notice your character and react with fear/reverence regardless of how virtually crowded the place is and what direction they might be facing.


Soooooooooo... what I took away from this is even player-driven taverns work out better.

I bet a lot of players would join an adventurers guild if there was one. It would just need an imm that was awesome to staff it. As in you know, silly little adventure plots.

As for taverns themselves, I'm not totally against them, but at the same time I try to avoid them as much as possible. On one hand if you're a small time merchant it's good for business. They're good for contacts and jobs too. You're relatively safe there which is a double edged sword. On the other hand, if you don't love zany BS kinds of RP you're better off playing somewhere else in the game.

Where is the motivation to go out and adventure? In typical RPGs, it's either loot, items of power, or some NPC provides a quest motivation like "find the McGuffin to save the empire".

On Armageddon, why bother adventuring for loot? It's (1) not out there, and (2) you can't do much of anything even if you did find 20000 coins.

Forget "items of power", you'll never even find a steel weapon, much less something like a book of spells or a wand.

There are no staff animating NPCs and giving out quests either.

If you have enough to live on, you might as well just sit in a tavern.

Taverns would be far less terrible if there were something preventing f'mes and their ilk from existing. I honestly think that if there were a way to remove the social chat players and the f'mes from the equation, RPI MUDs as a whole would improve drastically.

Though, maybe not. 2stronk4u types need their willowy, buxom moon-pale maidens who-are-totally-not-actually-men to impress, don't they?

I was facetiously referring to the MMO standard of "quest" as a repetitious taks. "KIll twelve rats. Now kill twelve wolves" etc.

The closest thing we have to an Adventurer's Guild is the Byn. They get paid to do all of the nobles dirty work, so plenty of adventure to be had there. If there's a war, or a mysterious temple to explore, you'll be escorting the Templars through it.

**Edit sorry I think I got my threads mixed up but I think it still applies in many ways to this one.  There is a lot of hating and ragging on players for playing their certian style.  Whether tavern sitters, lone wanderers, f-me's, or magicker roles.  I'm not excusing bad role play, or the some of the absolutely silly shit you will see.  My point is, in most cases, people just wanna play their role... fucking let'em, its about fun, and unless one of those half-giant rukkian f-me preventing YOUR fun, quit your bitching.**

No offense to any one in particular.

But I notice a lot of "These players don't play the way I like, PLZ BAN/KILL"

Which I find kind of funny, maybe its a little libertarian of me but I come from a school of thought that you play and let play. Like minded characters will gravitate towards each other once all they are done with their twinkery. Yea occasionally your soon to be clad in black assassin is annoyed that they can't find work in the Tavern because Generic hunter 1 along with TotallyNotAMagicker f-me #3 are eye fucking the living shit out via flowery emotes but heh, some one who chaffed too much will come along eventually and might want to get their mind off the pain by kicking off a little plot.

Its not like people are tripping over themselves to play a RPI mud, you can only be so choosy.

I think a lot of folks would have much better time if they stop worrying about how other players choose to play their character, and just I dunno play their damn character.


Also I can understand the anti-snowflake sentiment but alas I pose this question, whats the point of having Racial tension, forbidden shit, and all that jazz if no one ever... I dunno fucks with it?

People act like they see one human and a elf hug, now we gotta throw the whole documentation out. Arm is ruined, RPI's are dead, and /b sucks always. Fucking Christ, chill out. People like to break rules... hell half the point of having those social obstructions is so people can Role play about them, around them, and suffer consequences for breaking them. It's there to fuel conflict, to create stories, stories of people who commit the crime, and the story of the people who correct it.

See a mundane and magicker start a relationship? Ostracize them.
See a elf and human getting dirty? Kill'em both for attempting to bring another Emo angst ridden Half-elf in the world.


It really does take all types to make the game work, to flesh out the world. Catering to one particular sub-set of players completely while ignoring... or worse discouraging whole other area's of play and roles is not only silly... well it down right ruin it for everyone.


So what people wanna play snow flake drovian f-me's? Let'em, and let that little flake melt under the mighty Krath.


The best stories of human history are born from ill-fated, ill-advised people doing really stupid offensive things that goes against social norms.
We don't play games to be common, normal, and average. We play games because we want to special and we want to be exceptional.