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Post by Jeshin on Apr 26, 2015 9:22:34 GMT -5
*sigh*
Okay people when I say the question is just a question. I mean it is just a question. Whether the staff did it or not has nothing to do with the question. The whole point of the question is to separate from specific instances!
You either agree or disagree, there is no wrong answer. It's like saying you support the 2nd amendment or you don't.
You can agree that staff should -not- ever run RPTs to kill characters based on OOC considerations and also believe that they have never done that. Equally you can disagree that staff should -not- ever do it and believe that they haven't ever done it!
EDIT - For example I believe that killing in RPTs for OOC considerations is wrong. I also believe that staff have done it before (whether in the Byn RPT or another RPT at some other time)
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 26, 2015 8:43:04 GMT -5
Counter questions for Jazet
1) If you were going to play a rival to Nadu (or whichever PC is the queen bee) how would you do it? What character concept would you run? What role would you request?
2) Have you thought of creating a guide or tutorial to educate players on any unspoken aspects of your game such as the never before mentioned wish up for something in a shop? (not mentioned on this thread)
3) What is your current peak average in players and what would you do with another 10 players with such a limited staff?
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 26, 2015 8:32:52 GMT -5
I'm not the one getting nitpicky. I'm the guy trying to say the original question I posed was purely a litmus test for someone to say, yes I believe staff can/should create RPTs to kill characters for OOC considerations (such as wanting to disperse a clan). I don't get why that makes me the bad guy? Is it impossible to edit the op or change the tone of the discussion on the first page?
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 26, 2015 8:22:20 GMT -5
Thus why I stated, the question is meant to be specific. Likely because I am hoping the goalpost will be moved and the OP will adjust the framing of the debate. Since it was my original question that sparked this thread.
EDIT - Basically the whole point of the question isn't to be debated on a case by case basis. It's to determine where a player stands on the issue for the purpose of framing the discussion when responding to them or when reading something they write on the issue or potential cases of the issue.
EDIT - Although to be honest the specific question for the poll Is it appropriate/acceptable for the staff to cull the player base with RPTs? is pretty close. I guess you just need to add the 'with ooc consideration' or 'with ooc intent' in there and it'd be spot on... Also I need coffee if I'm having to do multi-edits on posts.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 26, 2015 8:05:52 GMT -5
I'll keep my first post on this brief.
1) The question is meant to be specific when I asked it. I am not sneakily trying to imply staff have done this (though I believe that to be the case) instead I am trying to identify where people stand on that specific issue. So in the event that an RPT is 100% created with the intent of killing a portion of a clan due to OOC considerations such as wanting to disperse the players or not liking how those combination of players are acting in the world. Is that scenario if it is 100% the case, okay with you? Yes or no?
example - It's like saying do you believe cold-blooded murder is wrong. You don't go well I think justified murder is right. That's not the question, the question is if someone you have never met walked up and executed someone in front of you for no reason except to murder them is that right or wrong.
2) I believe there are alternatives to the current staff methodology of running RPTs and combat encounters in general that are viable within the limits of the engine as it sits today. It might take a little more setup time but it would prevent the majority of issues with the code causing difficulty to be to low or to high. I'll elaborate on my theories later.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 26, 2015 2:57:16 GMT -5
Quick note - This Tal-vasi thing going on in game is interesting and I hear it's a player-driven indie clan. Good for you guys, it sounds like a very cool concept to play. I hope as part of the staffs very public attempt to turn the corner on their approach to the game they are giving you adequate support.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 26, 2015 2:40:29 GMT -5
I think SOI encouraged it more and did not have a character limit. I honestly frequently hit my character limit while emoting in talks or just flat out emoting.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 26, 2015 2:26:00 GMT -5
I've been around the block and I can tell you that I'd rather spend 6 minutes with someone who barely adds descriptors to their says or uses 3 word emotes but we spend the 6 minutes interacting and talking than spend 6 minutes waiting for 1 person to respond to another. It's all about pacing and I think the pace of RP in ARM is actually something that a lot of other games should be aiming for. Maybe a little slower for better quality emotes.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 26, 2015 1:34:18 GMT -5
If anyone wants my prompt from all these logs...
prompt \n\nHealth: %h/%H Stamina: %v/%V Stun: %t/%T \nSpeaking: %o Time: %e Position: %S\n%L\n\n
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 26, 2015 0:21:38 GMT -5
It really depends how the forum reporting metrics work. GDB has a keep me logged in forever feature and the shadowboard keeps you logged in as long as your browser is in the same session. But given the # of guests we have in every 24hour cycle I would wager we get somewhere around 60% of the total GDB traffic. Probably higher. Anything over 50% would make us 'comparable'.
EDIT - Jcarter might have access to daily metrics which we can definitely use to compare against what we know about the GDB.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 26, 2015 0:17:07 GMT -5
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 26, 2015 0:06:04 GMT -5
Not that anyone cares, but normally when I post I'm done with a thread I honor it. So I'm done with this thread, nothing more can be said by Jeshin and so nothing shall be said. Let no one try and pull me back for it shall be impossible. Impossible I say!
EDIT - I'll ask player of Izari for you Malken.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 23:56:21 GMT -5
1) They knew exactly who I was assuming they follow the board and wishes indicate who the account holder is because my ARM account is Jeshin
2) If they had any prejudice about me and my posting here it was represented in focusing on the newbie who happened to be traveling with me
3) I found the entire experience interesting and I'm glad my character is alive to go round 2 tomorrow
4) I appreciate that they animated anything at all as I think I asked for the animation prior to Rath's start time for the escape tuluk event
5) No zombies yet, sorry folks hoping for headcrab tuluk RPT.
EDIT - It was a very short and sweet scene.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 23:28:46 GMT -5
I made a character, I wished up, me and my companion got hassled, he got hassled more than me. It was interesting. Think team Tuluk will be doing it again tomorrow night.
EDIT - Yeah I logged it, I'll release it in like 72 hours maybe and has like 0 sensitive info.
EDIT2 - 72 hour delay out of respect for an ongoing event regarding the closure of Tuluk. I used to like Tuluk.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 20:15:39 GMT -5
I'm assuming that was the intent based on several factors. 1) Former staff have said that it is not uncommon for staff to do this including Bitter's who is an unannounced former staffer and Anaiah who fully outed herself. 2) The log itself. 3) Ancedotal complaints and references to the event. 4) It makes sense with the staff positions I have seen in the past.
Like I said there are 24 pages almost completely dedicated to their one thing (partially due to Kronibas harping on it) but there's more than nothing. Now if you don't think it was fishy, fine, that's okay. But if you think that even if the staff did want to wipe out the Byn because of dispersing players, than why are you even arguing? Just say, I believe the staff have the right and should kill off clans as they see fit for the betterment of the game. I won't think less of you for it, but it's worth knowing what your position is.
EDIT - Also if you don't have a problem with my position which is a bit more reserved than some other peoples than good! I'm trying to be reasonable over here. I don't agree with Kronibas and as for Delerak I was only commenting on the specific aspect he brought up. I didn't go through the log and figure out if the mek was targeting the weakest person, just helping explain the thing he brought up so others could understand it.
EDIT 2- Now I go off to poker, don't burn the place down without me.
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