Jeshin
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 20:10:19 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 20:10:19 GMT -5
Also little addition. I am saying whether they did it with intent or not that if you believe the staff can and should cull clans for "the good of the playerbase" than the discussion is moot to you. It doesn't matter (to you) whether the RPT was normal, intentional, or a sekrit kill squad meant to off shadowboard users. But if you don't believe the staff can and should cull clans for "the good of the playerbase" than this RPT is worth looking at and making your own personal assessment.
Lord knows there's enough opinions on it posted over 24 pages that each person can make up their own minds.
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 20:05:47 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 20:05:47 GMT -5
If the staff didn't run it with the intent of killing off a big portion of the clan than they didn't do anything wrong except possibly overestimating the difficulty of the encounter. But as I (as someone who was not there and only has 2nd hand information) am assuming they did it with the intent and hope it would kill off a significant portion of the clan.
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 19:52:58 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 19:52:58 GMT -5
Unlike Kronibas or Delerak. I believe the staff was clearing the cards for the Byn clan but not targeting shadowboard people (which only Kronibas has come out supporting I believe). I don't care if the staff were controlling the NPCs to make them more deadly but if they were it does certainly lend credibility to the presumption that the RPT was meant to be a culling (as Delerak proposes based on staff targeting non-giants and non-senior players who could have tanked a mek)
But more to the point RGS. Do you believe that the staff should run RPTs that are meant to kill off portions of a clan? If so than there is absolutely nothing fishy about this RPT to you. It was an RPT, it was run, the staff made it hardmode by controlling the NPCs, and bob's your uncle. However if it isn't okay for staff to run RPTs with the intent of killing of portions of a clan than you should probably be more concerned that the staff controlled the mek to target the specific PCs that it did.
EDIT - TLDR - Either people have a problem with staff killing portions of a clan in order to redistribute players or they don't. If you have a problem with it than this is fishy. If you don't have a problem with it than nothing bad happened here. There's no point debating it one way or the other.
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 17:04:25 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 17:04:25 GMT -5
Then yes to anyone naysaying Delerak's assumption. Here is the deal and I know this from a lot of 2-5 on 1 fights.
1) NPCs and PCs alike will auto combat a single target until that target flees or dies.
2) The only way to switch target in combat without them fleeing or dying is change combatant name? It's a change syntax look at the helpfile
3) Once your combatant target dies than you will begin fighting the 1st person to successfully hit you. Misses and parries and shieldblocks do not count to my knowledge.
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 16:57:56 GMT -5
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 16:57:56 GMT -5
Quick clarification from Delerak. Are you referring to multi-combatants when 1 dies or flees, the next person to land a hit will be the one you are fighting? Thus in the log it demonstrates that the NPC is selecting its next victim instead of being triggered by being hit?
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 16:14:43 GMT -5
Nah I have never actually played a Pickpocket, I also never got caught stealing. I used to break into peoples apartments as Elrum 'banished' Irofel and steal paintings if they had them and only paintings. And no Elrum didn't have picklock he'd just sneak past the door guard and jiggle the handles (open door) and see if some newb forgot to lock it. A lot of people do apparently.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 16:12:01 GMT -5
>.> I like Bitterflashback's edit of my statement more than my original statement.
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 16:08:19 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 16:08:19 GMT -5
You could do that. You might do that. He might be doing that. But as I don't see anyone coming out in strong agreement of his shadowboard users were specifically targeted theory I don't think he's getting any traction. Just like if you started proposing a theory and claiming 'others' had said so you wouldn't get any traction either.
EDIT - Just because there's a potential for abuse doesn't mean that Kronibas or anyone else should feel pressured to out people who came to him with the presumption that they wouldn't be referenced or outed.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 16:05:42 GMT -5
About too? Lyse did you miss our spamcraft thread in code discussions?
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 16:05:04 GMT -5
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Apr 25, 2015 16:03:50 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 16:03:50 GMT -5
As someone who people have come to as a way to tell their story. I do not think Kronibas should be required to give up any identifying information shadowboard or otherwise of anyone who has come to him to talk. I certainly wouldn't no matter how much my critics wanted me too.
Counter-request: If you believe as Kronibas does and you want to come out and explain why, go for it, hell make a throwaway account if you need too.
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Apr 25, 2015 16:00:18 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 16:00:18 GMT -5
Once again I am not saying that shadowboard users were not specifically targeted. I'm just saying that it's an improbable scenario even knowing Nyr and I certainly know what it feels like to be targeted by Nyr. Go read my request tool dump of our back and forth and me filing a complaint about him which failed.
Just because it could be true, doesn't mean it is true. For example some people claim that America has a higher per capita of small business starters than any other country in the world. Does being American inherently make you more likely to want to be self employed? Not really, but there are some pretty good case studies that Americans might have a genetically predisposed to risk taking because of who colonized America and what their personalities were like.
Same thing here it is entirely possible that influential shadowboard users are just predisposed to a style of RP and approach to worldbuilding that rubs staff the wrong way and thus they are targeted not because they are from the shadowboard but because they display traits they are not supported by staff. It is just happenstance they also happen to be shadowboard users just like it could be happenstance that American's are inherently more likely to start their own businesses than other nationalities.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 15:55:12 GMT -5
Rangers facilitate the most roleplay. You see if you look at my patended time vs effort = efficiency equation which I discussed in the How to Ranger thread. You can see that not only are Rangers the best coded guild but also the best RP guild. They can gather materials with other, participate in combat RPTs with others, act as scouts/lookouts for both outdoor and indoor activites, they even get medical skills which make them great after combat RPers, and they also get crafting skills which make them just as good as merchants but betters!
I am kidding here, but you can make an arguement for almost any guild being better at RPs than other guilds. I mean I could argue that a breed pickpocket provides more RP than anyone because everyone should hate him he gives everyone a focus for negative RP. Because he can rob them he creates ripples of RP from his actions that affect an exponential amount of players. Blah blah blah. Personal preference... Yada yada.
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Apr 25, 2015 15:51:15 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 15:51:15 GMT -5
To clarify... Do I believe that the staff could and would target specifically shadowboard players. Maybe? If we did something like had 3-4 of us join the byn or form a rinth gang or something I could see us being targeted. However I do not believe that shadowboard users stating they were killed in an RPT in a clan that we already know the staff had their eyes set on due to splintering attempts, represents any sort of statistical evidence that shadowboard people were targeted.
It's like having 3 white guys, 3 black guys, and 3 asian guys. If 2 white guys live and everyone else dies. You could state that staff were targeting minorities, but that ignore that 7 out of 9 of the entire group is dead. Like sure it's POSSIBLE they were targeting minorities but it's more probable that were just targeting the group as a whole and letting the chips fall where they would.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 15:26:05 GMT -5
Quick note - The shadowboards are no longer 'small' they easily match the traffic of the GDB and I think a lot of GDB posters or former posters have accounts now. So to say, well someone from the shadowboard said they were soandso and all the shadowboard people died is about as statistically relevant as someone saying they were targeting GDBers.
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