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Post by Jeshin on Oct 24, 2024 10:56:53 GMT -5
as much as i'd like to get some more insight, i can't help but feel like usiku only posted here so there could be a "see i posted but people there disagreed and are therefore unreasonable and not open to discussion" moment i'd love to be wrong about that and i'd love to see more posters from arm coming here to air things out, but given the number of people that are actually convinced they'll get doxxed and harassed and irl stalked or something wild like that i don't see that happening jeshin uses these forums to try and track down/stalk/harass some woman he used to play with.
bebop not even a few pages of replies ago rehashed details about being stalked by loooonsh.
i'm pretty certain that delirium did too.
what's so wild about considering that this could happen?
I'd love for you to articulate exactly how I am stalking someone? I know you can't but it's the easiest way to demonstrate you're just mud slinging.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 24, 2024 8:41:00 GMT -5
Wouldn't being removed from the staff team like... confirm who the leaker is?
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 24, 2024 1:30:51 GMT -5
On the off chance shenzi decides to reply as someone who has taken heaps of criticism. 1. If you really believe something just give the receipts. Whether they're images or logs or just the logic / feeling you were operating under at the time. 2. You can admit fault without being a hypocrite. You can say I wanted X but apparently Y was the outcome. People can have good intentions and come up short. 3. You can acknowledge something unfavorable to yourself without "losing". People turn a blind eye to stuff all the time. Hell sometimes I don't look at my bank account because I don't want to know how little money I have in it right now (damn inflation). Sometimes I don't respond to text messages because I haven't responded to them and it's been so long it's awkward. You can have been present when bad stuff happened but maybe you just focused on the good. That was other peoples drama and nothing to do with you. It doesn't make it right or wrong it just makes it the truth. People will have opinions about it but hey the truth is the truth. I actually encourage you to respond to some of this stuff. People spend a lot of their life avoiding confrontation with other people and themselves. It's pretty helpful to work through stuff and actually answer for decisions. It helps you more than it helps others but the upside is it earns respect too.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 23, 2024 20:32:20 GMT -5
Didn't actually answer anything, next.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 23, 2024 15:46:35 GMT -5
1. Why didn't the staff address concerns raised on the shadowboard directly if it was having such a big impact on peoples mental health ie the cucking stuff and no plots going on yada yada? 2. Why leak and not just make your own account before? 3. Mehtastic says he did it once something was common knowledge, did you leak with the same motivation that something was already out there so there was no harm? 4. Are you an LLM?
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 23, 2024 12:00:52 GMT -5
Except it doesn't matter whether she did before or after. What if she was unaware of the issues before her faithful died. Placing some arbitrary oh something bad happened to you here anything after it is solely motivated by this event is silly.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 23, 2024 11:58:07 GMT -5
I think it's a pretty harsh world that doesn't allow someone to have a coming to jesus moment or a realization that something they thought was fine is in fact not okay.
How do you change hearts and minds if you apply a purity test to people who want to change? Makes no sense so even if Bebop benefitted from relationships she choose not to going forward.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 23, 2024 10:26:42 GMT -5
I'm the one claiming that being bullied on the internet is a self inflicted wound. So everyone else doesn't really need to address the "inconsistency" but then again I'm also not the one claiming Armageddon is abusive and stuff. I just said it was a bad unfun game.
As for the argument cyberbullying is a thing and Armageddon did hurt people. If we accept this as true (despite my stance on internet bullying) than I'd probably argue discussions on a non-official forum doesn't constitute cyberbullying being you come here to read the content versus the game where someone is trying to play / be a part of the community is hurt by the game and so they now must pick between their hobby and not being hurt anymore. The difference is nothing compels you to read these boards whereas to access a game I might have to put up with abuse.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 22, 2024 20:37:05 GMT -5
I think the most disappointing thing about Shenzi's post is the comments about bullying and its affect on the staff team. Like Dave Chapelle said "a brittle spirit". After moving on from Armageddon decade+ ago went on to other RP communities some similiar in scale some much bigger and continued my own tabletop sessions with different systems. I think RP is interesting and creativity is health and I find it generally true that small groups and large groups mirror each other very closely because it's just people being imperfect at communal storytelling. Not like we go to school for this shit right?
Anyway Armageddon isn't special and it never has been. The problems Armageddon have aren't unique the apologists aren't unique the people playing just because of their friends aren't unique and the staff being the problem are not unique. It's the same song and dance in MUSHes/MUs/Forums/FiveM (GTAV RP)/RedM (Red Dead Redemption 2 RP)/GaryMods/etc etc. You know what else isn't unique? Disgruntled players and let me tell you what the bigger the entity the more disgruntled especially when people can spend $$$ on the thing. So Armageddon MUD got closed because of critical posts and someone on stuff was leaking (like has happened time immemorial for this game). Super. Try getting doxxed and having pizzas hilariously called to your house and having to tip the driver because you feel bad for the 30 something year old doing gig economy to make ends meet and it's not his fault a bunch of upset people ordered pizzas to "hurt me". Try having yourself signed up for escort websites and find husband websites and what personal information does exist about you on the internet entered into all those survey things so a couple of angry users trying to be all uppity they got banned for cheating can make some pennies and get your older forms of contact spammed.
You volunteer to be a leader (staff member) of any community you pretty much open yourself up to criticism and not all of it is fair. But like I said you can't get bullied on the internet, just stop reading it. You have someone come who read it and is all hurt about it tell them to buck up and lets do something productive or wild idea (if you have receipts and apparently did) just fucking respond with transparency. Crazy I know but when all the doxxing nonsense was happening members of the staff team didn't cry and hide they just did their thing and released some information to the playerbase. It's not rocket science. Even "bullies" and critics have empathy and those that don't end up looking like lunatics no one wants to engage with. Amazing what some transparency and talking to people can do instead of just blaming blaming blaming. The posts from my2sids and shenzi probably humanized and gave better insight into the staff view of seasons than all the speculation and official announcements this year. If you'd just done it sooner and officially you probably would have quashed your drama.
Brittle Spirits.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 22, 2024 13:59:24 GMT -5
Transphobia being resolved aside.
1. Would love to know why the producers/staff team didn't just bring the receipts? Like how do you simultaneously hold this board and mehtastic up as significant influences on the closure of the game but not I guess address the "public concern"?
2. Can my2sids elaborate about why the shadowboard on year 20 of its existence becomes the bane of the game versus all other times? Like to you does it feel like this board really had that much influence or is it just a bunch of tired people looking at a reduced player pool and thus a reduced reward for their efforts seeing the grognards complaining and just saying... Yeah I'm done with all of it. Personally I just can't believe it wasn't player number driven at its core but Mehtastic is claiming it's the leaks the leaks the leaks that did it and the announcement appears to concur.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 22, 2024 13:10:41 GMT -5
Wait how will they be fired from a closed game that won't re-open?
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 22, 2024 12:54:36 GMT -5
Not for nothing but legitimately if you were permitted to just show some receipts x number of months ago. Wouldn't that have 1) resolved your stress over the rumors 2) resolved the rumors 3) been like... the biggest thing disgruntled players ever asked for from staff aka transparency?
It's a good post, shows the receipts, seems sincere, informative. The only disappointing parts are it took the game closing to make it and the concept of the Producers asking nolonger staff people of a closed game not to post somewhere... Who cares anymore?
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 22, 2024 1:43:22 GMT -5
It is wild to me that a volunteer text-based game had "actual" contracts. I literally worked on a 20,000 player peak game server for cash money and we just had a basic MOU.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 21, 2024 20:46:27 GMT -5
@pinkerdlu is right I've just been playing the long con all this time. Sitting on Armageddon with sub 30 avg players sex pesting but somehow never being mentioned by mehtastic's consistent reporting. You got me mate!
Anyway next steps... So Armageddon isn't the first RP game to ever break below the critical threshold of maintenance players. I'll assume that's the bigger reason because if you have ~25 avg players and 7 staff odds are 4 of those start are always logged in and 20 of those people are players. When MUSHes hit this problem some of them just go "private" or "invite" only. Normally this is the death of a game because there's something about a private text-based game that lacks the impact of an open one. To familiar, to predictable, to high of a chance of a super clique. I could see Armageddon trying some kind of invite only mode. Perhaps we'll see break through the holidays and a feburary/march seasons 2 relaunch. I guess it kind of depends how sticky the community is and whether they linger around the project. Or we just see the final I'm to old for this shit. Nostalgia and community "reputation" is only so strong to motivate time commitment. Personally in the wise words of people helping others with internet bullying (which is basically what the announcement is comaplining about)... How are they bullying you on the internet, just don't read it?
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 21, 2024 16:26:32 GMT -5
youtu.be/is2ZIv-yBJ4?si=JJLxTI33M8DlenKd --- tomb of horrors youtu.be/kL-dzNk6IXQ?si=SE8ct9gUJUicKLIE --- sunless citadel DnD youtuber asked are pre-written adventures bad? Is my constant changing and modifying of them ruining the intended effect? I'm going to run some older classic adventures by the book with my friends and see if maybe my DMing is the problem. Interesting series and you know self-reflecting the efficiency of RP storytelling seems relevant enough.
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