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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 17:19:42 GMT -5
#1 You don't need to apologize to me. I never appealed my ban. The communication between staff and I are actually available on this board and probably on that archived mudconnector thread. I have said (multiple times today) I was a valid target for a ban which is why I never appealed it.
#2 I am glad you finally admit that it is what I did NOT say and not what I said which is the problem. My actions speak louder than words. I never hosted the material. I never supported spreading it. I never brought ANY of the discussion about it to my forum. I did nothing to publicize beyond TMC and this forum that there was even a ridiculous attack on me and my community for something we didn't do.
I know for someone who writes a lot but backs things up little it might be a foreign concept for you to understand speaking through action, but I did. It is not my job to defend Armageddon (although I have been fair to it) and it is not on me to announce my support or lack thereof towards something.
#3 Whether you like it or not I am a public figure in the community. Am I a big figure? No. Am I a particularly good figure? No. I am however a figure because I write what I mean and I don't quibble. When I edit I post I clearly mark it. I never take back what I say. I do it all publicly, openly, under my name. I do this because I believe in honesty and I enjoy a good debate/argument. I had very high hopes for OR and for my game. They didn't pan out but that doesn't mean I don't have hope for the genre and it doesn't mean I don't still make posts to that effect.
#4 No one is saying that Staff cannot do whatever they want. It's their game they can do whatever you want. You can do whatever you want. People are saying, hey maybe those other people are wrong... or assholes... petty... or culpable in some skeezy shit that happened in the past.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 16:15:47 GMT -5
I might argue some of those changes are not because of these boards but the larger game culture in general. Like MMOs, Single-Player, etc etc. Armageddon does want to retain players. Gaming culture has moved away from the older Arm culture. You are likely to see the pull whether this board existed or not. It's just the inertia of player expectations against the traditionalism of the old way they did things.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 16:09:58 GMT -5
So I can stop derailing threads.
Qwerty
$100 bounty payable anyway you like
Proof I supported hacking of the code dump or wiki leaks.
Rules: You have to cite something. I don't care if you cite 100 posts and go the first letter of each post spells out I support hacking. I don't care if you cite this post and just the I support hacking bit. It won't win but my point is. You cannot just link wholesale to a thread and be like. You decide! Provide your evidence, sir.
EDIT - You have 1 year and 1 day!
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 16:03:45 GMT -5
I believe that is a list of confirmed banned players that posted on these boards about their bans and how they were related. Anyway as for my personal ban. I have LONG maintained that when I posted by request tool history I was 100% a legitimate target for being banned. Furthermore, I maintained that if you violated YOUR games specific policies on OptionalRealities you could/would/should be banned. That I had 0 problems with administrators following their own stated policies. I could disagree with those policies but I believe if you have a policy you should follow it consistently. I didn't care that I was banned. I cared the pre-text for my ban and I carried that they might target USERS of my forums who did not have anything to do with anything. EDIT - But I'm a big failure fail pants and don't have active forums anymore
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 15:41:12 GMT -5
Fun fact
I have never actually looked at the wiki leak (or the code dump). Even after the claims that they were pulled by someone with legitimate access and not hacked.
I did DISCUSS multiple ways the staff could actually salvage plots and NPCs from the wiki dump.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 15:35:39 GMT -5
You couldn't even cite a specific post you just linked to the threads wholesale?
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 15:32:43 GMT -5
So you're saying your gut said I supported HACKING as a means of getting information and that is your evidence? Then you link to the public threads where I didn't actually support HACKING?
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 14:44:08 GMT -5
>_> I will legit give you $100 if you can provide a single shred of evidence that I did something that I did not.
Paypal Amazon card Google pay
You name it buddy.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 14:36:08 GMT -5
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 14:18:22 GMT -5
I was actually attacked both for the code leak and the wiki leak so take your pick. I'm glad that Armageddon staff get to punish a community voice for discussing a community topic. Mayhap they would like to ban other community voices in the future (who aren't even playing anymore or never played to begin with?)
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 14:11:27 GMT -5
I wasn't punished for years after I outed who I was until the code leak happened and then Redranger and I both got banned. His got lifted. Mine did not. Have you appealed? You should appeal, if not. I don't think any real damage was done by that code leak. I think the code leak was the best thing that ever happened to Arm discussion. It spills literally zero secrets, ruins nobody's fun, and enhanced the enjoyment of all of us code grognards because now we had a consistent basis for learning. Even though significant portions of the code seemed to be superseded. I spoke with Adhira via the request tool. It was determined I was a baddie. Also I have said multiple times in the past that I had violated the games rules by posting my request tool history on these boards. I used to even point out that I had yet to be banned. Then the code leak happened a significant time after I quit and I was banned by association and my own forum was attacked on Mudconnector by Nergal. I reached out to staff to obviously go hey Nergal appears to be trying to drag my name through the mud. There was an entire thread on Mudconnector before they overhauled their forums of Nergal attacking me over a code leak that was 1) not on my forum 2) I never asked to happen 3) I refused to apologize for discussing. armageddonmud.boards.net/post/27994/thread
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 14:00:09 GMT -5
Shakes I believe the issue here is qwerty is being a gladfly. His position will morph multiple times within a single topic of discussion ranging from prove it to that isn't applicable to that was long ago to that is an isolated incident. There is a certain "bad faith" that occurs in a discussion when someone is unwilling to cede a point.
You want to see good faith. Go check out the MSB thread promoting Optional Realities where I outright apologize or admit I was wrong or didn't know something.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 13:54:08 GMT -5
I wasn't punished for years after I outed who I was until the code leak happened and then Redranger and I both got banned. His got lifted. Mine did not.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 13:20:38 GMT -5
So your argument is everyone is staff, people you like are staff, your girlfriend is staff, your best friend is staff. You can't have a problem with us because then you must have a problem with people that you like!
Sir I can have a problem with anyone. Just because I lack information now and have an opinion of someone doesn't mean I cannot change my opinion of them with new information. Like if you were secretly my girlfriend (whom I presumably love) and I find out she is Qwerty. I'd probably be like PORRRRRRRRRRRQUE? And then seriously question why she is going around trolling people with a centrist attitude.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 11:32:45 GMT -5
Personally, I would read the room. Deflection doesn't really work when the people you are deflecting from are just going to be yeah but X. A far more sustainable defense would be those people are no longer on staff. Staff privately addressed the situation and never publicized it because it was no one elses business. So on so forth. You know things that could be true but require no proof and to the passing reader they would shrug and be like okay. Basically, the best defense of Armageddon staff is to continually disassociate the current staff from the past staff. Then when the current staff fucks up, disassociate from that one too.
The other best defense is to just go yeah staff is ethically questionable but they never said they were good people. They just keep the game running and people get to play on it. The ol' results are all that matter defense.
The whole molestation, harassment thing is moot too. While I believe those are probably true you have a far worse thing to defend. Staff are assholes over a game. The entire board exists because of staff being such big power tripping assholes that people felt compelled to row row fight the power. They're not likable. They're unreasonable. A few good apples might exist, I have liked one or two... but 5 people out of how many staffers being okay is pretty dismal.
Actual topic: Denying that staff played sponsored roles or had multiple accounts is silly when actual staffers have come out and indicated this is in fact true. There is no functional difference between a staffer animating an NPC and a staffer being a sponsored role except the player knows NPCs are staff. So why is it bad staff played sponsored roles? I don't care. They can animate a Black robe to do anything anyway so let them RP a Kadian I can stab. It's actually better for me.
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