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Post by yourvisiongoesblack on Sept 7, 2018 10:46:00 GMT -5
I've played a Sun Runner Nilazi
during the end of the world games and you were exiled from the tribe, no?
Maybe a little before? Bhag was doing a lot of the DElf stuff at the time (White Rantarri era), with some DElf players becoming really entangled with plots involved with Nilaz and weird shit. I want to say Bhag was gone before or around the end of the world stuff really kicked into high gear. Then again, I remember him still doing undead stuff in the rinth during parts of the end of the world deal, so maybe there was some overlap. Bhag catches a lot of shit for some of the stuff he pulled with his avatars, but his plots and their tilt toward Nilaz/darkness were really cool at times... it's something you don't see as much of these days, probably because the game is rightfully focusing on more mundane PCs atm. Edit: The Nilazi died very fast and I app'd for another one and was told "no" because something like that was exceedingly rare. Heh, I've also played a Nilazi Nenyuki family member, a Nilazi mul, and a Nilazi half-giant. On the Nilazi mul app, Savak, one of the OG imms (a physician IRL and imm of the Tan Muark), wrote that it was "one of the best character biographies I've ever seen." I'm pretty sure that I was still a teenager, and 15 years later, the kinda praise really sticks out to me. To digress, my experiences with Arm as a teenager (starting at 13-14) through my early-mid-20s was almost always great. I feel that Sanvean was, in large part, responsible for this because, during her era, despite people getting pissed at her, sometimes rightfully, over issues like the Tan Muark and Arm 2.0, she was a really great mediator, leader, and writer. She really lacked the kinda biting negativity or rudeness towards players that Nyr became known for, and, under her leadership, the game seemed, overall and particularly in regards to player relations, like less of a shitshow. She wasn't perfect and had her own vendettas, like against Clegane, and seemed willing to change the game in a huge way, many suspected, to monetize it by removing all references to Dark Sun, but, at the end of the day, she was a great writer, storyteller, and mediator. Usually, if had you earned the ire of Sanvean, you had done something or multiple somethings to really deserve it. When Nyr became Sanvean's equivalent, a previously unheard-of kind of rudeness (Nessalin was the only staffer back then who had cultivated an image of being the "bad cop," but he was never bitey or rude to players on the GDB) became par for the course, stretching from request responses to overt condescension and contempt even on the GDB. To reiterate, she was a really good writer and mentor. Say what you want, but, regardless of how you feel about these groups, if all clans had the attention to detail that had been put into the Bards of the Poet's Circle or the Tan Muark, it would be a richer game. On top of that, she seemed to encourage writing as a whole more more than any other staff member I've ever known. In a text-based roleplaying game, it was kinda neat to have a mentor who actively encouraged creativity and writing while still being, overall, a really great face of the staff, though certainly not without faults. |
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Post by lyse on Sept 7, 2018 11:38:10 GMT -5
Also yourvisiongoesblack I think you’re mixing up plots. The plot where Nergal shut the whole thing down dealt with a cave around the volcano. The meteor plot came after Nergal left and nothing much was said about that. |
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 7, 2018 14:18:57 GMT -5
I think I mixed up plots first.
I thought the cave was caused by the meteor but it seems like there are 2 holes in the ground with plots related to them. My bad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 15:26:48 GMT -5
The plot that got cancelled by Nergal revolved around a gemstone rich cave that had a nest of ankheg in it. What is more valuable the gemstone, or the ankheg babies is anyone's guess.
The meteor thing was something absolutely different and doesnt relate to anything discussed on this board.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Sept 9, 2018 2:58:48 GMT -5
Sorry for interrupting this latest round of The Staff Are Cheating Abusive Shitlords vs. NO THIS FORUM, but-- Rathustra posted a role call a few days ago that seems unusual: It seems Rathustra replied to about 40 of these requests to have staff do something, anything at all, to their character in this otherwise boring game. Do any of you want to make educated guesses on what's happening? Are you one of those who got a golden ticket? Let us know in the comments below. My guess is they want to randomly manifest some people with magic or psionic power, or spoopy visions. -- did we ever find out what happened? I saw something about earthquakes a few pages back and wanted to know if the staff finally got around to ripping off Tremors. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 11:14:59 GMT -5
It's exactly Tremors  that plot is still unfolding. It is just just just beginning. So too early to say anything, really. |
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Post by jkarr on Sept 9, 2018 17:32:33 GMT -5
Qwerty are you back on staff now? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 18:03:59 GMT -5
no?
Are you trying to fish for my identity?
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Post by jkarr on Sept 9, 2018 19:22:36 GMT -5
u respond rapidfire within minutes and hours to ppl even hinting at disagreement with what u post here why did it u need to be asked 3 times over 2 weeks to answer the most direct and basic question Are you trying to fish for my identity? address ur question to jcarter |
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Post by Amos's Boots on Sept 10, 2018 2:28:21 GMT -5
Yeah, you tell em, Jkarr
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Post by jcarter on Sept 10, 2018 8:00:27 GMT -5
i addressed it in a response back to @qwerty via PM but i asked because he was countering people's posts containing IC info with hard numbers, details, and overviews of the situation that i perceived as only coming from someone with a staff-level view of the situation.
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Post by yourvisiongoesblack on Sept 10, 2018 11:03:33 GMT -5
Whether or not he's staff or has a staff buddy, I like he's not totally mired in sycophantic BS. He sometimes admits shortcomings, that mistakes have been made, etc. His willigness to condemn some actions while supporting others seems to indicate factionalism within staff, something that definitely shouldn't come as a surprise yet really hasn't been discussed much due to lack of information.
Yes, continuously tending to defend an object of criticism on a forum where criticism is often par for the course might come off as hollow or defending something just for the sake of defending it, but, while also helping to prevent a total echochamber, what qwerty writes often provides "pro-staff" views illustrating/illuminating the reasoning behind some decisions.
I mean, compare qwerty's attitude and writing style with malken's. While qwerty definitely defends more than he critiques, at least he has at least ventured into the latter, which is in stark contrast with players and staff who have written off (or at least tried) the entire content of these forums because of singular events.
While the people who mostly post here are by no means a homogeneous group, for me, it is good to read opposing views that, by and large, don't dissolve into hysteria or hate boners. That's not to say qwerty is guiltless when it comes to partisanship, but at least he goes further than many by acknowledging some of the fuckups by staff (having said that, refer back to my remark about staff factionalism) and almost always expresses his point of view civilly.
If qwerty isn't on staff currently, maybe he should be if but for the simple fact that he's conceded to points made here before, obviously doesn't have a one-sided view of this forum, and is almost always civil.
If, during Nyr's time, there had been more staff members who were more open to dialogue/less authoritarian, I think the playerbase today would be higher. Instead, they doubled down on censorship, bans, and aggressive attempts to squelch criticism, which served only to fortify backlash.
RIP lots of karma, GDB accounts, imms, players over the past 5 years. A lot of all of that shit could have been avoided by more frequent, open dialogue. Even if people like qwerty have obvious bias, some dialogue is better than none, especially when flaws in reasoning are demonstrated publicly and subsequently opened to criticism, as we saw with Nergal. Nyr was slimey enough to know that trying to justify his actions publicly would have left him in the same unenviable position that Nergal found himself in, and that's part of why he got away with being the way he was for so long. If no-one could criticize his actions on the GDB, patterns couldn't and didn't have a chance to publicly emerge.
Then, suddenly, jcarter does a shadowboard, and players suddenly have the ability to criticize or discuss without having that kinda shit relegated to staff-eyes-only discussions through the request tool or most things close to criticism about specific issues, even dated ones, being automatically moderated on the GDB. Previously, authoritarian moderation eliminated basically most types of accountability; if any and all dissent is met with sharp reprisal, ESPECIALLY public dissent on the GDB, how do players have the capacity to even begin to hold staff accountable for patterns of heavy-handed/negative behavior? Now, there is limited accountability, but there's a lot of tomato throwiing for tomato throwing's sake, too, which, at the end of the day, is fine because freedom of speech/freedom from censorship is a sorta cool concept, like in a 1st amendment sorta way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 12:49:59 GMT -5
At the end of the day. I even managed to get mahtastic to slow down and at least 'attempt' to justify the sheer baseless tilt into the destructive negative. People here seem to be have a problem when their yet another bucket of soapy turds that they're pouring out is not echoed with absolute agreement, but with request of some kind of detail and explanation. Which was the theme of the posts lately. Just a swirling stream of unsupported vomit that is so easy to doubt and choose to ignore by those with shreds of knowledge, and yet is often detrimental to new people who are merely gathering information about their new game. Want to talk shit about the game? Hey. Go ahead. Lots of things about the game are bad enough to be worthy of a discussion. Perhaps if your observation is erroneous, the conversation may even allow you to see things in another light. Or perhaps it's not erroneous at all! In which case, the conversation may help the people who are responsible for that shit to see things in another light. Both outcomes are good and beneficial. Alas, many who post here seem to take offense in their points being opposed even at the slightest degree. And when just a little bit pried, they show that they either do not possess enough information, possess 'no' information, havent been even playing the game for years and simply chose to place one more post of whatever they gleamed from GDB and others, but in a negative way. GDB is full of sycophantic folks. Yes. But, guys. I'm sorry to tell you this, but lately these forums are no different. Their 'side' is different, but methods are the same. Heck, instead of arguing my points, you guys are discussing 'me' instead.
To clear Jkarr's worries. I responded to Jcarter's question via PM. I personally did not find value to that question and told him so. Very much against the premise of this post. But you've definitely driven the matter home. Good looking out! |
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Post by jcarter on Sept 10, 2018 14:09:22 GMT -5
GDB is full of sycophantic folks. Yes. But, guys. I'm sorry to tell you this, but lately these forums are no different. Their 'side' is different, but methods are the same. Heck, instead of arguing my points, you guys are discussing 'me' instead. [/div][/quote] oh lord, drop the 'poor innocent me' act. you came here to try and stir the pot. it was in your account message when you signed up "i came here to talk shit" or something to close that effect. you even bragged about it in chat. and to cry about how people are treating you, come on guy. you're right there doing the same thing, engaging in discussing the person instead of arguing the points as well, including baiting through passive aggressive means and condescension. your first post in this thread was trying to be a dick for crying out loud. here's another example example, i can dig up more if you want to continue playing dumb about it. and if you don't want people to suspect you're staff or ~question you~, maybe don't post intimate in game details of secret organizations that occurred over a long timespan like this that people would only expect a staff member to know? It took RL years of rp of multiple people to get Hasan's camp going. Hasan himself as a PC existed for over a rl year, before the camp even came to being. It's kind of odd to blame staff for not reacting to player's IG actions and ignoring steady work done towards their rped out goals and then blame the staff for doing exactly that. Hasan's group numbered easily over 8 people. If you add Captain Mul (Fuck. I actually forgot his name now) and his group, the Byn Sargeant that defected and various spies, that non coded group numbered easily 18+ people. They managed to kidnap and possess a noblewoman who was an actively played imposter for 6-8 months straight? Without anyone realizing. All of that done entirely player effort, player decision. Eventually staff support did come. Quit/save room was put in, Hasan got a unique mdesc change and some other shit. But that's all. No npc guards, or whatever. At one point, a staff alt 'did' join that group, but that was at a later stage of the game. YEARS after the group's creation and steady operation. To compare that group to Tan Muark; it just doesnt fit in my head. what was it you wrote to me in the PM? that asking 'what's your source' here is bad form? yet you regularly do the same thing to other posters and then get queasy when someone does it to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 4:00:12 GMT -5
sorry for the delay. This part of the year is beset by important dates, from birthdays to deadlines. Didnt have time, but for quick reads ups. I'm here to be the contrarian you love to hate.
But it ended up to turn into something good too. Less discussion about me, more about other interesting topics that yourvisiongoesblack touched on lately.
So you're saying I 'shouldnt' be posting intimate information on these forums? That made me chuckle. The topic could've been learned multiple ways. Maybe, I am a player of Hasan. Or his closest lieutenants, maybe a Lirathan, or a psi. Plenty of other possibilities to learn all of this information, without being staff.
I never asked what is their source, nor did I ask "Whom are you playing." I am asking for more detail. Yes, you can argue that these details may identify the poster and if they dont post, well that's alright. Then leave it to 'he said, she said." But very often when I do this, I know that they are flat out wrong. Not a 'ohh, there is room for doubt", but "That entire statement is 100% bullshit." Not because they're lying, per se. But mostly because they allow their anti-staff bias to run ahead of their reasoning and ability to have fun in the game. When complaining about staff is more interesting, then actually playing the game itself.
{clipped a paragraph. I was responding to one of Jcarter's examples of me being a meanie. But I realized that while I was mean in the mentioned thread. Rehashing it here, is just 100% more mean}
I fail to see the problem in your example in my response to Jeshin. His opinion is that an announced role call should come with an emphasized paragraph that would calm players who are afraid of being left out. That, in my opinion, is extremely SJW. And then I pointed out that still, Rathustra did 'exactly' that.
Where do you find fault in that statement?
PS: Jcarter. Just for your personal information, because you used it as an example in some other post. Brew skill 'is' fixed. Took them twenty years to do it! But they did it and I think they did an awesome job.
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