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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 9:59:36 GMT -5
Aug 26, 2018 at 7:30am QuotePost Options Post by Jeshin on Aug 26, 2018 at 7:30am Explicitly and publicly limiting a vague and highly hyped rolecall to a very few is one of the reasons people discuss staff pets, staff favourites, staff friends, staff cliques, whatever. The very concept of a public rolecall with no transparency doesn't really inspire much confidence. Now to be fair to staff even nowadays I constantly see very adequate RPers doubt themselves and rather believe staff have favourites than put themselves out there and try. Sometimes it's less truth and more protection mechanicism. Sometimes it's more truth. I'm going to be frank, I skimmed this rolecall but as a rule of thumb if I were going to say I have special roles for X amount of people I might also emphasis strongly that this is part of a larger overarching plot on the game that all characters will be affected by and these roles are merely flashpoints from which staff will move out from and back to and out from again. The roles serve the game and all existing characters not this is for super special awesome characters. You know if that's how they're planning to do it. Coffee. ^ what I wrote Clearly my commentary is about the fact that role calls reinforce the perception of staff cliques, pets, and favoritism rightly or wrongly because of the history of it on the game. I then continued to go if you still -had- to have a rolecall you should probably downplay that the role themselves are special and that they are serving a metaplot narrative which is for all the players not just the chosen few. Far from being SJW it's just common sense to address you know the ill will the playerbase feels about these sorts of things. I also didn't say a paragraph  And as noted I admit right in the middle there I barely read the rolecall and this is more of a generalization. |
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Post by jcarter on Sept 21, 2018 10:16:16 GMT -5
So you're saying I 'shouldnt' be posting intimate information on these forums? That made me chuckle.What I wrote: I think that sentence is clear enough on its own and doesn't need to be twisted into the strawman you wrote above. I'm not sure why you want to press this and make me point it out further about how posting information gleaned from years of insight with accurate numbers and information, both here and in other threads, could raise suspicions to readers that you are a member of staff and make them question it. You are absolutely right! You could possibly be Hasan. But when you post detailed numbers and accounts of this secretive event, and then in other threads you go post somewhat definitive answers on topics people would suspect staff would most likely know, it certainly pushes the indicator more towards 'staff member' than 'player of Hasan'. Here's an example where you speak with certainty about the behind the scenes status of an ongoing plot run by staff members: that plot is still unfolding. It is just just just beginning. So too early to say anything, really. Here you are posting a somewhat definitive statement on another staff-implemented policy: I think currently, the only clans for whom membership cap are a thing is Fale and Oash. this was just from the last two weeks! you've posted more, such as major insights into who played who, that I would say go far beyond what any other posters here would likely know individually. I believe on your previous account, which you deleted in protest over the code leaks, you mentioned you were previously a staff member as well. I can continue this discussion further in the thread if you like, but I don't really think you want to go down that route and I think the point is pretty clear. i'm not going to sit here and argue semantics with you regarding "what's your source" and "show me your proof" being near similar in the contexts. Where do you find fault in that statement? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 11:34:53 GMT -5
Aug 26, 2018 at 7:30am QuotePost Options Post by Jeshin on Aug 26, 2018 at 7:30am Coffee. ^ what I wrote Clearly my commentary is about the fact that role calls reinforce the perception of staff cliques, pets, and favoritism rightly or wrongly because of the history of it on the game. I then continued to go if you still -had- to have a rolecall you should probably downplay that the role themselves are special and that they are serving a metaplot narrative which is for all the players not just the chosen few. Far from being SJW it's just common sense to address you know the ill will the playerbase feels about these sorts of things. I also didn't say a paragraph And as noted I admit right in the middle there I barely read the rolecall and this is more of a generalization.
And that is in my opinion, the wrong way to approach things. A lot of that 'reputation' is being kept alive by fear mongering and negativity generation of a self-echoing circle jerk of people who 'prefer' to see things negatively. Much like the very OP of this thread. People took things negatively with' zero' data. Zilch.
I might be posting things in this fashion, or another, mainly because I find it entertaining. But in general, it is a losing tactic to be defensive about matters that are so out of the blue, that defending them themself is only feeding it those matters with the only credibility available. Truth of the matter is that most people who are bent on 'enjoying' the game took the announcement in the fashion of "Oh cool! something interesting is going on and it will be affecting the world! Let's see what shenanigans my chara is going to get itself into" instead of "Oh. Rich are getting richer. Err, I mean staff are making new toys for their pets. I should log out and post something nasty about how the staff is playing favorites."
People are talking about pets and favorites, but if one starts to talk about details of who's pet and who's favorite. They begin talking about Pearl, or a number of other people from the end of the world plots. The moment they begin talking of anyone within the last 10 years, far too often they are talking out of their ass, with minimum data, and a lot of assumptions. Often generated and self propagated by people who also have no data, and a lot of assumptions. The beginnings of this thread are perfect examples of all of this. Haters gonna hate concept is going full steam ahead.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 11:42:37 GMT -5
I think you might find people referencing ancient players because I would wager the bulk of this board no longer play the game. I certainly don't but I do like a good argument/debate so I'll pop up every so often. I know someone who still plays and she enjoys it so that's another reason I kind of linger about in the shadows.
Anyway staff can do whatever they want but if they want to address player concerns however rational or irrational they are then they should change. If they don't want to address player concerns then they don't have too. It would appear (to the staff's credit) there have been steps here and there to handle reputation issues and historic bad feelings so.... maybe a little of this, a little of that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 13:40:02 GMT -5
Sure. It's just, in my personal opinion. Adding a sentence to a role call, assuring that the events transpiring will involve other players equal to mentioning on the coffee cup that the coffee is hot, or adding a notice that there may be sexual content in a movie "Touching my Peepee Volume 1"
Having said that. Rathustra actually have had that exact sentence in his role call anyway.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 13:47:27 GMT -5
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Post by baobob on Sept 21, 2018 13:50:16 GMT -5
The way the roll call read to me was:
"We have built a mysterious meat-grinder that might make your PC's last few moments amusing for some. If you want to dive in, sign this permission waiver, climb this ladder and stand in line with the rest of them upon the plank."
Maybe I misinterpreted, but it didn't sound like volunteering for it required any special RP chops or came with any implied favor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 13:52:04 GMT -5
Yes. I've seen it before. Pretty educational. But let's admit, in today's north american society, these warnings have progressed beyond reason and into hilarity, fear of being politically incorrect, really low opinion of general populace's intelligence, and a really high opinion of the intelligence of that general populace's lawyers.
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Post by jcarter on Sept 21, 2018 14:13:57 GMT -5
I think you might find people referencing ancient players because I would wager the bulk of this board no longer play the game. I certainly don't but I do like a good argument/debate so I'll pop up every so often. I know someone who still plays and she enjoys it so that's another reason I kind of linger about in the shadows. Anyway staff can do whatever they want but if they want to address player concerns however rational or irrational they are then they should change. If they don't want to address player concerns then they don't have too. It would appear (to the staff's credit) there have been steps here and there to handle reputation issues and historic bad feelings so.... maybe a little of this, a little of that. you're witnessing the duality of qwerty posts: yelling that staff aren't one singular hivemind while proclaiming that posters on this board are part of a singular hivemind. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 14:29:47 GMT -5
I think you might find people referencing ancient players because I would wager the bulk of this board no longer play the game. I certainly don't but I do like a good argument/debate so I'll pop up every so often. I know someone who still plays and she enjoys it so that's another reason I kind of linger about in the shadows. Anyway staff can do whatever they want but if they want to address player concerns however rational or irrational they are then they should change. If they don't want to address player concerns then they don't have too. It would appear (to the staff's credit) there have been steps here and there to handle reputation issues and historic bad feelings so.... maybe a little of this, a little of that. you're witnessing the duality of qwerty posts: yelling that staff aren't one singular hivemind while proclaiming that posters on this board are part of a singular hivemind.
That's silly.
If I say that people tend to ignore facts, in favor of their bias. Am I accusing the entire species? In a way, I am. But, I 'hope', that most would understand what I am talking about, without a ten page note of who is excluded from the party from here on named as 'People'. I also usually do not limit myself to that statement alone and usually provide an example, or some kind of reference. Whether it be a quote, or a direct response to a particular post, or a mention of "OP of this thread", or whatever else similar.
When directed to staff though, it is a little bit different. Because staff can be recruited and released and they change across years. Are you boycotting IBM for selling calculators to Nazi Germany? To argue that there were no assholes amongst staff is idiotic. To claim that everything good that happens to people is a result of these people being staff pets, because Sanvean favored Tan Muark, is in my opinion, ridiculous.
I truly believe that I am providing a pretty solid point of view towards variable discussions of these forums. I try my best to provide examples, or some kind of analysis, or personal opinion at the least. I have to say, the last few responses between you and I Jcarter, you didnt seem to argue my points, but more argue my persona. To a point where it begins to overshadow topics and people's arguments that are actually interesting. I think I'm going to refrain from responding further regarding this matter, unless you provide an actually interesting point that deserves discussion.
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Post by tedium on Sept 21, 2018 14:57:26 GMT -5
His opinion is that an announced role call should come with an emphasized paragraph that would calm players who are afraid of being left out. That, in my opinion, is extremely SJW.
I haven't been following this argument, but this made me double take. You know you've jumped the shark when you're calling a guy who lives on Zero Hedge "extremely SJW" for disagreeing with you about the proper way to choose metaplot participants in a text RPG.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 15:04:02 GMT -5
His opinion is that an announced role call should come with an emphasized paragraph that would calm players who are afraid of being left out. That, in my opinion, is extremely SJW.
I haven't been following this argument, but this made me double take. You know you've jumped the shark when you're calling a guy who lives on Zero Hedge "extremely SJW" for disagreeing with you about the proper way to choose metaplot participants in a text RPG.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 15:04:11 GMT -5
Gasp how do you know I read Zerohedge all the time?
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Post by tedium on Sept 21, 2018 15:15:13 GMT -5
You're pointing at the lightbulb over Jeshin's head and are accusing him of arson for starting a wildfire. It's such a misrepresentation of things that it actually becomes comically absurd, especially when the stakes are so low.
Gasp how do you know I read Zerohedge all the time? Sorry, could you lean into your computer and say that a little louder? |
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 21, 2018 15:23:12 GMT -5
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