Patuk
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Post by Patuk on Nov 9, 2013 17:11:56 GMT -5
Hey you can be pissed off about it, certainly - It doesn't do you a bit of good, but that's what this board is for. If he was told, no, sorry.. it wouldn't be a big deal? In my opinion, this is a pretty tiny gripe in comparison the staffs perspective, which I outlined pretty minimally, but still made way, way better points than.. but they weren't POLITE about me doing everything wrong and wasting their time. This is exactly what he did, when it boils down to it. You may not see it that way, but when you have probably a couple hundred players, a volunteer staffers time is immensely more valuable than any one player - again, especially when you're soliciting their attention the completely wrong way. I'm sure it's frustrating to be told your work isn't going to be used, but not nearly as much as it's frustrating to constantly deal with tons of people not following the system put in place. He got a response, at least. Kid, if you're arguing that we should be lucky to get responses at all, and that really we can't expect anyone to take the time to be civil, you're arguing a pretty lousy point. There are many staffers whose job is precisely to reply, and being civil with players takes as much effort as being terse. The only case where I'd possibly defend a negative attitude would be one where the initial request was impolite to begin with, but since I have no way of viewing it, I couldn't say. |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Nov 11, 2013 17:32:02 GMT -5
Is a simple "no" really so lacking in civility?
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Post by jcarter on Nov 11, 2013 19:01:18 GMT -5
Is a simple "no" really so lacking in civility? Do you feel that saying the word 'No' towards a player who was interested in helping out the MUD and volunteered his time to write in a few objects is at all constructive or contributes to a collaborative game? When people talk about how the staff of Arm comes across as aloof and apathetic towards the playerbase and it feels like there's a divide, this is the kind of thing they're talking about. It's funny because if the situation was reversed and a player rejected a staff member's custom code/items for them with a single 'No' this board would unanimously agree it's a dick thing. When it's a staff member though that's when the world's tiniest violin comes out of the closet to talk about the plight of how they have to deal with objects not up to code and really they're the victims of a playerbase who just won't read documentation. |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Nov 11, 2013 19:52:46 GMT -5
largely depends on whether or not the material was written up for a submission or if it was asked for or if it was a mastercraft or if it was written up and sent in willy-nilly or whatever i guess
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Post by jcarter on Nov 11, 2013 20:37:35 GMT -5
largely depends on whether or not the material was written up for a submission or if it was asked for or if it was a mastercraft or if it was written up and sent in willy-nilly or whatever i guess Why does it at all depend on any of those things? Why is whether it was a mastercraft vs if it was requested vs just being an out of a blue submission make a terse 'No' any more friendly/less friendly or any of the things I said in the first paragraph of my previous post? |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Nov 11, 2013 20:43:59 GMT -5
i just dont see how anyone could get bent out of shape with a "no" if they just up and decided to write stuff completely unsolicited
a mastercraft submission or what have you i could see getting annoyed at the lack of feedback
maybe im just an asshole
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Post by lulz on Nov 11, 2013 20:53:25 GMT -5
Is a simple "no" really so lacking in civility? Consider for a moment that the medium through which we are communicating is text. Text is not a great way to express pathos/body language. So, to answer your question: yes, a simple "no" is lacking in civility. |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Nov 11, 2013 21:11:02 GMT -5
Is a simple "no" really so lacking in civility? Consider for a moment that the medium through which we are communicating is text. Text is not a great way to express pathos/body language. So, to answer your question: yes, a simple "no" is lacking in civility. ... So why take offense in assuming it was meant in one way when it could very well have been just a plain old standard neutral "no"? |
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Post by jcarter on Nov 11, 2013 21:23:11 GMT -5
i just dont see how anyone could get bent out of shape with a "no" if they just up and decided to write stuff completely unsolicited I'm not talking about 'bent out of shape'. I'm talking about how someone could reasonably see it as being callous and as if the Arm staff are detached and aloofed by responding through email with a 'No' in response to someone putting in effort to contribute to the MUD. Can you just honestly not at all believe that terse single word emails from volunteers in social environment can rub people the wrong way? Now we're just getting silly. |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Nov 11, 2013 21:27:06 GMT -5
Well. Yeah. Sure. I guess they could see it that way.
If they chose to.
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Post by lulz on Nov 11, 2013 21:47:26 GMT -5
Oh Jesus Christ
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Nov 11, 2013 21:51:41 GMT -5
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Post by lulz on Nov 11, 2013 22:02:01 GMT -5
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Nov 11, 2013 22:17:43 GMT -5
AAAHAHAH WHATTHEFUCK xD
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Post by lulz on Nov 11, 2013 22:20:19 GMT -5
Exactly
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