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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 13:08:49 GMT -5
Any chances it could take over the roleplaying niche of Armageddon? Or will the rp side of it be alike Achaea, and other iron realms muds?
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Post by lauramars on Jul 12, 2018 13:53:47 GMT -5
I mean, generally speaking everyone at IRE likes RP and wants more of it. But it will be an IRE game, and the IRE playerbase and the Armageddon playerbase don't have a ton of overlap. Armageddon pretty much has the "gritty permadeath environment with bone swords" setting on lockdown I think and we're not trying to compete with that.
But I know I'd personally be tickled pink to see some Arm players come try Starmourn when it's open for play.
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Post by shakes on Jul 12, 2018 14:17:35 GMT -5
I've never played one of those muds that are pay-to-play. (Is that even accurate? I don't know how they work.)
I'm not really against the concept, it just seems weird to my old ass that these things that used to be free and collaborative hobbies are now earning money. Has the water level in the pond shrunk to the level that these are now where the quality action is?
Can you tell me more about Starmourn, what it offers, and what the theme is?
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Post by lauramars on Jul 12, 2018 15:04:52 GMT -5
They are not pay to play. You can play them all you want and pay no money. I think the technical term for the IRE business model is Pay for Perks, so cash can be turned into cosmetic items and personalized power ups and stuff like that. They have been successfully using that business model for over 20 years, so it's by no means a new idea. Pay muds have been around about as long as regular muds have.
Starmourn is a science fiction mud with twelve races and five classes planned for launch, and it is currently in development. I'm not the only person working on it by any means but I have written a lot of the game's creative content, so if you like my writing/building from Armageddon (A bunch of Allanak's rooftops, the new Borsail estate, the claypits of New Menos, the newer Red Storm apartments, etc) you might also like it in Starmourn. (Not trying to say my writing is great or anything, but it might be a familiar point of reference, or it might not.) You might not care about the writing at all and just want to cut some motherfuckers up with flaming swords of space magic, which is fine, and very possible. PVP is a big part of those games and it has a strong focus.
There's also quests you can go on for npcs and factions you can join, or you can start a family or become a shipping magnate or a smuggler or a crafter with their own player shop. Most of the game's faction cities will be run by players. Sort of like if Armageddon staff let people in Allanak be black robe templars and make big decisions about the city's future. Spaceships are fully customizable player houses that you can fly through a galaxy of ascii stars and planets and blow up pirate npcs or other players with.
Quite frankly there's not a lot to reveal about the game that you can't also read on Starmourn's website but I'd be happy to answer questions if people have them, since this has inadvertently turned into an AMA.
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Post by shakes on Jul 12, 2018 15:11:23 GMT -5
Sounds interesting. I like sci-fi settings more than fantasy, usually. I'll check out their website.
What's the timeline for release?
(It's not an AMA. It's me with a couple of questions. You don't have to answer if you don't want to, for whatever reason.)
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Post by pinkerdlu on Jul 12, 2018 15:17:26 GMT -5
I like to roleplay, but I'm also competitive.
Lack of permadeath/required roleplay/coded consequences removes a lot of the incentive and immersion for me.
Arx is pretty awesome for a MUSH but still not my cup of tea.
Also, the 'roleplay for xp' thing is interesting and has some nice quirks but it also makes a lot of character concepts... iffy. Sometimes I don't want to 'stretch'/justify and come up with some random bullshit reasons to go roleplay with a char that I would normally have absolutely no reason to ever roleplay with or meet. No, it doesn't make sense for every single noble in a massive city to be friends with...a random commoner, a random mobster, a random hunter, etc. etc. The gritty 'le edge' knight shouldn't have to go out of his way to roleplay with Suzy Rottencrouch x10 to get some xp, every week. Oh well.
also i would rather gouge out my eyes with a spork than play an iron realms mud
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Post by shakes on Jul 12, 2018 15:37:05 GMT -5
There's another mud I play which is RP enforced, has decent code, and has enough hack-and-slash to keep me interested. I'm not going to pretend I don't like me some chopping up goblins, or fighting gortoks. And I seriously dislike those holier-than-thou roleplayers who act like it's a bad thing. As if they aren't furiously grinding their social skills every time they see a noble or Templar walk by.
The problem is that without permadeath, that other mud feels like you're playing with paper dolls. All the faith-based conflicts (It's Faerun setting, after all, with a billion conflicting deities) but you can't actually KILL anyone. I've killed rival priests of another faith and had them 10 minutes later rezzed and hunting for me when they managed to AIM their buddies.
It's why I pretty much quit playing there. Everything was pointless, and the social cliques were just that much more problematic.
However I played MUME forever and they don't have permadeath, but dying you lose a big chunk of xp and all your gear (usually). Same with EVE ONLINE ... you lose your ship. Granted those aren't roleplay centers, and it's weird to see the guy you secretly murdered chatting in the bar 10 minutes later, but I don't know permadeath is absolutely critical to my fun.
Even secret murders in Arm don't remain secret for very long due to the OOC collusion.
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Post by lauramars on Jul 12, 2018 16:00:29 GMT -5
There are good things about a permadeath system and bad things. Good things about level based games and bad things. I've always wanted Armageddon's gameplay to have a more organic skill system like an Elder Scrolls game instead of relying on the static trees it's always had, but there are fun things to be had with the tree system too. Not everyone is going to like everything, and that is ok. Anyway, Starmourn will come out when it's ready! (It is not an RPI by any means, btw, in case anyone thought I was trying to frame it as that.)
I'm definitely more of a sci fi person myself for reading and writing. I'm re-reading the Luna series by Ian McDonald right now.
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Post by shakes on Jul 12, 2018 16:05:20 GMT -5
I'm slogging my way back through the Wheel of Time, with a long list of other books stacking up when I finish. I've never made it past the mid-series lull in WOT, but this time I was determined to do so.
My kids are all ate up with this "Mouse Guard" graphic novel series right now. I read one of them and thought, "this would be a fabulous setting for a mud."
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Post by lauramars on Jul 12, 2018 16:08:42 GMT -5
Mouse Guard is adorable.
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Post by shakes on Jul 12, 2018 19:55:11 GMT -5
Checked out the Starmourn website. Looks pretty interesting. I have some trouble with these original settings in that they're a bit hard to get into, but it looks like it has some cool features.
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Post by radioactivejesus on Dec 4, 2018 3:34:26 GMT -5
Over the last couple years it's become pretty clear to me that the RPI genre is on its deathbed. Plenty of new RPI attempts that have just completely fizzled out a few months in, SOIs dead, HL might as well be dead with how little actually happens on it. As far as I know there really isn't anything going on for RPIs anymore
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Post by lechuck on Dec 4, 2018 10:58:37 GMT -5
What ever happened with LabMUD? I never got around to trying it but I was vaguely following the development because it was supposed to result in a plug-and-play modular RPI engine that anyone could use to set up a game without the need for a dedicated coder. I heard Japheth and Wolfsong had a kid and I suppose that takes its toll on development time, but looking at the website, it seems as if the project just got abandoned with no statement. Is it dead?
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Post by lyse on Dec 4, 2018 12:53:32 GMT -5
I think there was some drama going on there a while back. Both sides of the story sounded a little shady. The people that were the injured party stopped playing, obviously. The accused party kept playing for a while, but with no one to lord over, I guess they got bored too.
Kind of a reoccurring theme with RPIs.
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Post by sawbot on Dec 5, 2018 1:41:42 GMT -5
Labmud is ongoing but on a temporary hiatus while a new area of the game was being built. It's been said on the discord that the next season will be happening before Christmas, within the next two weeks.I'm excited for the second season since we'll have access to crafting, wild animals to hunt/tame and territory to fight over. The sort of tools that'll help players to make their own fun. There's still occasional updates to the engine but they're only posted in the patch notes section on the discord. Here's a link: discord.gg/3P2bKc8 |
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