Good news for haters of sorcs, player-driven events

The most powerful guild in the game is subjective depending on the situation. I fear a maxxed ranger far more than a psion because psions are.. wait.. I should say psions SHOULD be hunted to the ends of the Known and killed by the sorcerer-kings and or templars of those kings. I digress though this is Arm where nothing of the sort happens.

Anyway I won't get too involved in this nonsense. It was a bad idea I think. No reason to take the guild out I don't see any reason why players can kill you with 2 arrows but when they cast fireball it's a big deal?

I'm glad the subguilds are in finally. Not glad full sorc isn't available for players anymore. Full sorc could've been a sponsored role only kind of thing, I hope they consider it after seeing the change in action. But lyse, Nyr wasn't involved in this, so this one thing can't be blamed on him. It looks like it was nathvann and nessalin.

terrible change imo. sorcerers were an iconic part of the setting. the most powerful characters are sorcerers. the most powerful PCs were sorcerers. nyr kept harping on about how they were near-invincible and only staff were able to effectively deal with it. ok, so what's the problem? he keeps making statements about how there's staff effort going into micro-managing them etc. lol, what? whenever I had sponsored roles or was in an important position, all my shit got handled through email. there was no animations or anything. is that different for sorcerers? were they above getting emails from staff saying "hey if you don't stop terrorizing the allanaki farming villages very powerful templars are going to get mad and take you out." rahneyvn mentions attacking a farm as an example, but how is it any different than if, say, the head PC of the Guild starts killing Jaxa Pah NPCs when they have no players? or if a Kurac family member kills NPC tribals who would normally operate in luir's? staff-driven solutions need to be given to that, although in all likelihood you're going to just get e-mailed warnings or forced storage. why are sorcerers unique cases?

some random snippets from the thread-



from what staff described, all current PC sorcerers were affected by this. meaning that they almost certainly had spells removed from them and their guilds entirely changed. unless there was some sort of plotline explaining how their coded power was suddenly reduced, then that's a textbook retcon.



why is this a problem? why should PCs in game be able to stand toe-to-toe with an actual sorcerer? he keeps bringing up this point, as if balance has ever mattered.



again, this is silly. what are sorcs doing that require staff to intervene? interfering with city-states or major outposts, ok. attacks on big d-elf tribes, ok. beyond that though, i still don't see how this calls for eliminating an entire guild but it's their sandbox. players of magickers and sorcerers managed just fine for 20 years without having staff dote on them.

it's weird to me that in a game that is entirely about creating your own fun, staff feels like they are obligated to animate and revolve their time around a guild played by seasoned veterans of the game who are adept at making their own fun. as if sorcs can't find anything else to do besides attack allanak/tuluk/luir's/red storm.



how is this any different than any other PC in the game? every player is entirely limited to the following without staff assistance: advancing their character's skills, using their character's skills to make wealth or items, and then using that wealth to trade with other players or IG vendors for equipment, food, or misc items. whether you're a merchant, ranger, water elementalist, etc, that is what you can do with the code. even if you're a merchant house family member, templar, or whatever. you can't add original content to the game and you can't remove content from the game. your accomplishments are completely limited. so why is it a problem that sorcs were limited by the same hardcoded limitations of every other player in the game?



reading delirium's post made me understand what emperor palpatine felt like when he watched anakin get pissed at the jedi council and hack up samuel l jackson. yes, delirium, feel the it flow through you and come to the posting dark side.

these big sweeping changes get handed down with ambiguous statements like "how the rest of the gave had been moving". uh, how has the game been moving? i honestly don't get what direction they're trying to take the game in and it seems like they've overall been reluctant to share their 'vision' for what they want. of course players are going to be frustrated when you remove iconic parts of the game without really explaining why beyond "too much work".

Here, I'll explain it. but I warn you that it doesn't make sense.

The staff doesnt want to have to do an excessive amount of work. In their minds, making the game react realistically is "work". therefor they are making fewer random elements they can't control (players). So to fix the game they need players to do less or quit. The planners staff will then be the only driving force of change in the game, putting all of the coordination on central planning themselves. But since they are ruling elites unpaid volunteers they will likely be overwhelemd by all of the work mutally-coordinting everything will take, which previously had been done by entrepreneurs individuals required to stay within certain parameters, as they have been in various Communist countries the past. As a direct result of having neither foresight nor hindsight, Armish Socialism Armageddon will bravely march in circles in the prsent. As it attempts to solve small problems (work reacting to a handful of players who shuld reasonably be assumed to be able to alter the world) with big problems (making the world far less dangerous and more dangerous, while simultaneously requiring paperwork for everything but not having time for it).

To put it in simpler terms, nobody upstairs is seeing the big picture. the staff are too involved. And because they don't realiz being too involved is the source of their problems their solution is to try to get more involved. Or they get rid of something they ruined by getting too involved in, because it was too much work or became a problem because they got involved. also communism.

Eventually the problem will solve itself when arm no longer has a viable playerbase. at no point will the staff, while shutting things down, genuinely consder that the fault my lie with themselves.

You're the first person in favor of this change to say so on these boards. Why do you favor it? (also, if you commented on the gdb thread as well, avoid writing anything that would identify you.)