Quick.

Vampires weren't particularly worse than super-sorcs and whatnot. Less so, I think, because they didn't automatically have insane power, they just had to be killed in a certain way which, if you were able to bring one down to mortally wounded in the first place, there's a good chance you'd be able to orchestrate. Compared to a branched sorceror, or even a pre-nerf mindbender, both of which were also essentially immortal to 99.995% of potential opponents, vampires were not so absurd.

They were not inherently super powerful and their achilles heel had multiple different sources. Once you brought one to negative hp, you could call on any Krathi, sorceror, templar or anybody with a dispel magic wand to finish them off. It would be virtually unthinkable to actually get an accomplished sorceror into negative health in the first place unless you have similar power yourself.

They were also severely limited in what they could realistically do with their characters. You could do almost anything within reason with a psi or sorc, but vampires were essentially confined to the 'rinth and potentially Undertuluk, though I don't think any ever played from there on any kind of permanent basis. In fact, there were so few vampires throughout the history of the game that any problems with the race were largely negated by the fact that almost nobody had to deal with them. People tend to confuse ghouls for vampires, but ghouls were just regular characters with bonus strength.

I think the game suffered much more from the elemental PCs, and from the ridiculous amount of mindbenders and assorted mages/sorcs forcing their way into everything at the time. They gave a mindbender to someone with 1 karma and a year tops on the game. It was ridiculous. Most of the complaints about undead always seemed to stem from people who were unhappy that they weren't involved, but pretended like they were concerned for the health of the game.

1)the major downside to vampirism is that you're a pariah. more than one of the PCs that got the Bhag treatment were Nilazi elves, which makes being even more of a pariah pointless.

1a)elves, being tribal people, formed a vampire tribe meaning they had insta allies that wouldn't betray them.

2)they went outside of the Rinth and Undertuluk plenty. in no way were they confined. i remember seeing logs of them doing sacrifices at the snake head altar in mantis valley so they could get a super kewl magick item from a demon.

3)That the counter to them is a Krathi, sorcerer, templar, or rare magick item is bullshit and essentially makes them invulnerable to almost the entire mundane population since mundanes are supposed to fear and distrust magick items, magickers and magick, and templars. not to mention that the weakness of vampires was a pretty closely guarded secret (big surprise), or that the total sum of Krathi, southern templars, and sorcerers is a tiny fraction of the playerbase.



it's not so much unhappy about being involved in that as much as lopsided favoritism. why does the dude with 1 karma you mentioned get to play a mindbender but other people get special apps rejected? why do these guys get super cool plots and powers, one-on-one hangouts with master sorcerers, custom-coded shit, when all of the clans with mundanes in them get jack shit and don't even get half-assed RPTs thrown their way?

while bhag, halaster, and shalooonsh have their super mage power-fantasy clans full of custom-code and specially made areas for them, people playing the bread and butter of Arm and by the docs got jack shit. not at all surprising that people did, and still do, resent the staff of that era for it.

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... but seriously though, i remember Bhag being very hard to talk to and prone to skimming and guessing he understood what he was dsmissing.

He was just testing out the new rez command the staff coded that week. So sue him man!

So it goes with Armageddon, so it goes with third world dictatorships, where a tiny percentage of the population are loving it, and the majority are split between getting actively fucked in the ass and avoiding an ass fucking.

People wonder how batshit regimes like North Korea or Zimbabwe can survive, if it's as terrible as everyone says. That's because ~5-10% of the population is loving it. 

Also I've never held grudges against anyone or anything. I live in the moment and the present. I just enjoy looking at history and talking about our memories. That doesn't mean I have a huge chip on my shoulder.

Ah I didn't think of that. Yeah shoulder wrist and ankle weights are pretty rad.