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Post by demonspongecake on Feb 8, 2015 13:06:30 GMT -5
Off hand is dual wield, it will not affect your primary attack at all. That primary attack will be the same regardless of what your secondary is doing. Anyone complaining about sparring weapons hurting too much should be branded a whiny cunt and beaten to death with said sparring weapon. It's probably one of those people who constantly argue on the GDB that sparring should be like wafting feather dusters at each other and shouldn't hurt their characters.
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Post by calk on Feb 8, 2015 13:20:24 GMT -5
If you use a weapon in your off hand, and a shield (or nothing) in your primary hand it doesn't appear like it uses the dual wield skill. The penalty is just too small. I've had characters with novice dual wield that hit all the time with their off hand weapon when they had nothing in their primary hand, but as soon as they equipped a primary weapon, couldn't hit a training dummy with their off-hand.
It does appear to give you a small penalty though, so you might be able to squeak in a few extra misses.
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Post by sirra on Feb 8, 2015 13:27:44 GMT -5
They've gone to such great and ridiculous extents to make skilling up weapons extremely difficult, that basically you're forced to be a super twink with meta knowledge of the game to get past journeyman.
Decisions made by staff whose alts have limitless karma and mostly play templars, sorcs, magickers or mindbenders.
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Post by grumble on Feb 8, 2015 13:33:42 GMT -5
boen sparyng wepenz r shit. yuz wud.
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Post by mesuinu on Feb 8, 2015 14:34:25 GMT -5
Okay, but if I dual wield two of the same type of weapon and miss with my secondary hand, does that count as a miss for using that weapon type?
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Post by Patuk on Feb 8, 2015 14:38:45 GMT -5
Nope, it doesn't.
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Post by mesuinu on Feb 8, 2015 14:48:22 GMT -5
Well, shit. Okay, thanks guys :( I guess finding a stilt lizard remains option A.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 8, 2015 15:20:38 GMT -5
There is another option, fail bash and fall and stay on the ground during spars or fights with like verrin hawks and stuff.
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Post by lyse on Feb 8, 2015 15:46:53 GMT -5
There is another option, fail bash and fall and stay on the ground during spars or fights with like verrin hawks and stuff. They definitely changed something there, because you still hit on the ground often too. Whatever they changed, you plateau much sooner than before. A lot of tricks seem a little off. |
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Post by gloryhound on Feb 8, 2015 16:01:20 GMT -5
Off hand is dual wield, it will not affect your primary attack at all. That primary attack will be the same regardless of what your secondary is doing. Anyone complaining about sparring weapons hurting too much should be branded a whiny cunt and beaten to death with said sparring weapon. It's probably one of those people who constantly argue on the GDB that sparring should be like wafting feather dusters at each other and shouldn't hurt their characters. You don't even see the irony in "beaten to death with said sparring weapon", do you. It's pretty sad statement about the combat system that a well-trained warrior can be devastating with such terrible weapons as a red stone spoon. |
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Post by gloryhound on Feb 8, 2015 16:06:36 GMT -5
1. Have multiple people spar you at once, 2v1, 3v1, even 4v1 if you have enough people. The penalty will give you a better chance of missing. 2. Hunting. It is sad but true that the most reliable and realistic way to master a weapon is to do so on NPCs because based on your strength you can select the appropriate one for a challenge. 3. Just accept that you won't master a weapon. I have found that warriors most of all have a very crucial early game when it comes to grinding. If you aren't able to keep your weaponskill gains above your offense gains then your offense will outstrip the weapon and it becomes almost impossible to get raises in the weapon you want short of some heavy metagaming. 4. Go find a breed or elf with high agi and make em dance. 5. Greb like mad and pay someone to repeatedly train your newbie warrior in a weapon skill before ever starting to spar. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 16:22:53 GMT -5
Ways to raise your weapon skill quickly:
Buy your sparing partners massive amounts of krezel to use when you spar with them, use some yourself so you get more attacks and more opportunities to miss.
If your ride skill maxes out low, fight mounted [Edited to add: If your ride skill is really high (Journeyman+) avoid fighting mounted]
Buy a silt skimmer and hunt silt striders.
Invest in +agility empowered items.
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Post by sirra on Feb 9, 2015 0:04:25 GMT -5
Off hand is dual wield, it will not affect your primary attack at all. That primary attack will be the same regardless of what your secondary is doing. Anyone complaining about sparring weapons hurting too much should be branded a whiny cunt and beaten to death with said sparring weapon. It's probably one of those people who constantly argue on the GDB that sparring should be like wafting feather dusters at each other and shouldn't hurt their characters. You don't even see the irony in "beaten to death with said sparring weapon", do you. It's pretty sad statement about the combat system that a well-trained warrior can be devastating with such terrible weapons as a red stone spoon. Anyone can be lethal with a spoon, as a function of Offense. Although, only warriors or rangers tend to hit those heights. |
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Post by demonspongecake on Feb 9, 2015 5:07:06 GMT -5
You don't even see the irony in "beaten to death with said sparring weapon", do you. It's pretty sad statement about the combat system that a well-trained warrior can be devastating with such terrible weapons as a red stone spoon. Anyone can be lethal with a spoon, as a function of Offense. Although, only warriors or rangers tend to hit those heights. I sure don't see the irony. It should be entirely possible to injure and kill someone with a sparring weapon, it's a blunt implement, it's just less efficient that a real weapon. If you could ep a bandage and kill someone with that, that would be ironic. I can't remember the description of the red stone spoon, are you sure its the breakfast cereal variety or something more heavy and substantial? Either way if it's over powered I see that as a problem with the item, not the whole combat system. |
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Post by lyse on Feb 9, 2015 10:27:54 GMT -5
I think his point was even with the severe penalty of wielding a non combat weapon you still can be ridiculously good with it. I have a giant spoon on my kitchen wall from Portugal, I sure as hell wouldn't try to fight someone with a giant axe with it. Because I know ax man would break it on the first hit (ok in reality I'd be hiding in my closet calling the cops), but you get the idea. Funny as it might be to do something like that IG, it's a little showy and another reason why weapons and armor should be more breakable in combat. Doing things like that should have serious consequences. It doesn't make a difference whether it's a cereal spoon or a giant spoon, it's still a thing that wasn't made for the rigors of combat. I'm sure everybody had that moment where they were sitting in the clan barracks or whatever carving wood and got dragged off to do something and ran into something nasty only to realize later "Hey, I just killed a beetle with my whittling knife!"
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