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Post by jcarter on Oct 28, 2022 11:05:34 GMT -5
i don't think i've ever seen staff reply to someone's anecdote without insinuating or outright accusing them of being dishonest, wrong, or ~~~tWiStInG THe FaCtS~~~
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 28, 2022 14:22:30 GMT -5
"I have to be mean to players. If other staff have to double-check when I reply to the occasional complaint, I won't respond fast enough and players will think the game is stagnant."
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Post by jcarter on Oct 28, 2022 14:41:12 GMT -5
thats what every unlikeable neckbeard says to justify why no one wants to be around them.
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Post by baron on Oct 28, 2022 16:34:08 GMT -5
re: the Is Friday drama.
Holy shit that's bad. It extra pisses me off because this particular event happened to Is Friday. I don't know the first thing about them IRL, but in-game they were one of my top three favorite people to RP with.
I've worried for years that the lockdown on IC information was facilitative of abusive behavior. I wish I had voiced that concern loudly and clearly and often over the past couple decades. (through prior to things getting exposed to the public on /r/mud, I'm sure it wouldn't' have made a difference.)
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Post by hates2 on Oct 28, 2022 16:45:07 GMT -5
If someone described themself in three words as: terse, non-empathetic, and snarky I would assume they're an asshole!
I consider myself snarky but since I make time for people, am empathetic, friendly, and cheerful people seem to respond to my snark better.
I love how something like grand theft auto roleplay servers on twitch have better roleplaying than ARM. And all the people know the stories as they're coming out, there's none of this 1990's "find out IC" nonsense. Those players are trusted to make good character decisions and use their knowledge of ongoing plots to enhance the game and make it better. Sure, there's meta-gaming going on but at the end of the day if the overall health of the community is better for it, why not do it? Is it any wonder ARM refuses to elaborate on anything going on and that makes everyone horde their little plots to themselves in some clan compound making for a dull game? People want to be excited to play, there's not a lot of excitement to find out what you've missed in 5 years by having to play 15 hours a week to maybe learn about a few events.
If ARM actually wanted to grow, it'd be creating excitement around the game with plots, have those plots constantly being told, posted, discussed, memed about, just general shenanigans in real time. Imagine if some meme dwarf everyone found funny got tossed into the arena but outta nowhere stomped the mul sent in to kill him. People could be posting memes (someone call for a healer, BUT NOT FOR ME), generally be having a fun shared experience on like discord that a MODERN mud should be. Then reach out to the former players and see if you can bring them back showing this positive atmosphere. ARM is just bureaucracy and negativity.
I'd probably enjoy some other MUSH you all have posted about here, might fit my style more. But even after not playing ARM for years, I still somehow feel sorta burned out on the whole scene.
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Post by jcarter on Oct 28, 2022 16:49:23 GMT -5
re: the Is Friday drama. Holy shit that's bad. It extra pisses me off because this particular event happened to Is Friday. I don't know the first thing about them IRL, but in-game they were one of my top three favorite people to RP with. I've worried for years that the lockdown on IC information was facilitative of abusive behavior. I wish I had voiced that concern loudly and clearly and often over the past couple decades. (through prior to things getting exposed to the public on /r/mud, I'm sure it wouldn't' have made a difference.) lmao of course it has been. you aren't allowed to complain to other players privately, public grievances are instantly censored and told to be handled via request tool, it's the perfect cover for the sex pests on staff
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Post by punished ppurg on Oct 28, 2022 16:58:58 GMT -5
It's one thing to face the whole "force noble PC to get pregnant with retard NPC". But one thing you have to remember about the times back then, is that Talia was systematically running Kitt's Borsail-superiority angle into the ground. The marriage down into Tor is like 10% of it. NPC animated nobles were shunning Kitt, she was getting flak for the Tor Academy teaching stuff. It was clear to me as an invested observer that Talia was abusing her staff powers as admin in persecuting isFriday's character -- we can take a guess at the reasons for it, but that doesn't negate the activity that happened. Maybe Talia took umbrage with Kitt's Borsail superiority, and it was some sort of social justice warrior reaction to put Kitt "in her place". Maybe Talia is just a disgusting woman that used her leverage to bully someone's story she didn't want to facilitate. But I assert that the "have sex with the retard NPC husband" pressure wasn't even half of the bullshit that Kitt was brought to facing -- it was, however, the thing that Friday drew the line on. And then was killed off shortly after. Talia didn't like it when her little doll didn't play along with her sick disgusting fucking story, and was quick to throw it away. Fortunately for us all, that staff group didn't last much longer after that.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Oct 28, 2022 17:20:01 GMT -5
I personally don't like part of how Friday Dms DnD games or how her character was played in a way (MF brought me into the Atrium then stored a few days later when I joined to be trained by them you asshole [It doesn't really bother me if you read this I'm mostly joking about this]) but I would never see myself going 'Heh, Friday was sexually harassed in game? Well she's an asshole' on discord. Nor would I ever expect a STAFFER to jump in with 'I have receipts! I can't show them but I have them!'
If I went into Discord with "I have receipts Shaloonsh sexually assaulted someone. I can't show them but I have them" my ass would be GONE QUICK
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Post by my2sids on Oct 28, 2022 17:38:56 GMT -5
I personally don't like part of how Friday Dms DnD games or how her character was played in a way (MF brought me into the Atrium then stored a few days later when I joined to be trained by them you asshole [It doesn't really bother me if you read this I'm mostly joking about this]) but I would never see myself going 'Heh, Friday was sexually harassed in game? Well she's an asshole' on discord. Nor would I ever expect a STAFFER to jump in with 'I have receipts! I can't show them but I have them!' If I went into Discord with "I have receipts Shaloonsh sexually assaulted someone. I can't show them but I have them" my ass would be GONE QUICK Sorry for storing on you. I had been running the clan with little to no staff support for 6+ months. My Atrium leader was a litany of harassment and/or abuse by nobles ICly, as well. A Templar who was rejected ICly ran a "kill the Atrium leader" plot that my PC somehow came out on top in the end. It was immensely stressful being the center of the spider web in Allanak and I tried to facilitate a ton of plots. Being available to teach classes constantly to students was like being a Byn Sarge but you couldn't outsource your training time to Troopers. Also it was all roleplayed lessons, not sparring where the output is much less. It was exhausting. I worked with staff to train up 2 new leaders ICly for 1.5 months OOC time and both of them stored shortly after I stored. Which upset me - because I'd have just stayed in the role if they weren't planning on sticking around. That being said: I don't blame anyone for not wanting to continue to play that role. It was very high-demand. I think altogether I worked through about 70-80 PCs through the Atrium. About 20% graduates, similar to the Trooper graduate rate.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Oct 28, 2022 17:49:10 GMT -5
Nah I get you. I was peeved when it happened and for like a week afterwards, then I robbed the Atrium and now it's just kinda a thing I shake my fist at the sky about jokingly.
It was funny/kinda sad you basically held the Atrium together. Two whole ass other players were in it and couldn't maintain it, or hold it together with their own effort/be assed to do it, once you left.
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Post by my2sids on Oct 28, 2022 18:02:38 GMT -5
My PC Uno Reverse executed a Templar, had their monument designs completed (the Oash monument on the main road right now IG), dozens of high profile paintings/sculptures, and got promoted --- not a lot left to do. By the end she was getting Ways from nobles/templars apologizing to her for past grievances. Once I had a commoner who was getting apologies from nobles I was like "okay, broke the game, moving on."
Once I became "old money" in the game it was kind of boring. I was then the gatekeeper, rather than someone scraping by to survive. So that in combination of the workload wasn't appealing. I needed the break.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Oct 28, 2022 18:10:57 GMT -5
After 10k money stops mattering until staff throws silly numbers at your requests to basically tell you they don't want you doing something.
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Post by my2sids on Oct 28, 2022 18:21:56 GMT -5
After 10k money stops mattering until staff throws silly numbers at your requests to basically tell you they don't want you doing something. The next thing I wanted to do on my PC was slice into House Kadius and topple them as the "art & culture" house within Allanak. I was told that staff couldn't support that kind of plot and that signaled to me that I wasn't interested in continuing. A fun diversion for that plot which had already been planted - not sure if it went anywhere: My PC was the primary artist for the Monument Project repping House Oash. House Kadius had claimed the House Tor monument (mid tier), and the House Salarr monument was up for grabs. I believe my PC was still being considered for that and had drafted a couple sketches for House Salarr at that time. IDK if they just did it virtually after that. While my PC was vying for relevancy in the scene as an artist they had attached themselves to the "old money" noble PCs. The Oash, the Borsails, some Templars, etc. My PC was tagging along with a Borsail to a Kadius showing. A Senior Agent NPC and my PC got into a bit of a spat in front of the Borsail after she rubbed it in that she was the artist for the high-tier monument. My PC then, who of course took everything personally Mean Girls style, devised a plan to ruin that Senior Agent NPC. She drew up phony schematics (she was also feuding with a Tor Lady at the time) with hidden Tuluki symbols/iconography in it. She hired the Guild to plant the schematics onto the Senior Agents' desk with a forged signature of their NPC artist/monument designer. With some luck the Senior Agent wouldn't look into it too deeply, and not being Allanaki himself would probably overlook some of the signs of it having these Tuluki symbols. The hopeful outcomes for this plot were: 1. Senior Agent looks incompetent to Tor and my PC gets the monument contract as they discover he's put heathen symbols in the design. 2. Senior Agent looks incompetent/wastes time/money. 3. House Tor builds said monument and their political opponents point out the heathen symbols, thereby elevating Elle's work on the Oash monument as more dutiful/outstanding. House Kadius would likely be blamed and receive the blunt end of this fallout, as well. I doubt any of these outcomes came to be, but that was the sort of plot I tried to run with my Atrium leader. I tried to make my own fun besides teaching aides.
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Post by delerak on Oct 28, 2022 19:57:44 GMT -5
Don't mind me. I'll go shambling back to my cave. Carry on.
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 28, 2022 20:35:03 GMT -5
Rare image of Shabago, Brokkr, and Halaster looking for the three trolls in the thread that are hell bent on the game's destruction for the lulz, through dishonest nonsense, half-truths, or purposefully twisted facts:
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