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Post by jcarter on Jun 28, 2017 15:02:36 GMT -5
Wow. Impotent ragequitting is no longer just for the players, it seems.
As we are so often needlessly reminded, most staff members start out as players. gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,52596.msg989494.html#msg989494 lol, all of Nergal's responses are deleted. poof, as if it never happened just like with Arm 2.0 |
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Post by nullentropy on Jun 28, 2017 15:03:04 GMT -5
Wow. Impotent ragequitting is no longer just for the players, it seems.
As we are so often needlessly reminded, most staff members start out as players.
Yup. And like so many ragequitters before, I expect Raleris will return.
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Post by OT on Jun 28, 2017 18:03:41 GMT -5
There's a certain part of me that can understand not wanting to staff for the current playerbase. Not that I sympathize with Nerg in any real way, but too many of those who still play Armageddon are the types of players who were more concerned with preserving their own karma than with speaking their mind, and I can definitely see how it must be terrible trying to deal with such people. He doesn't do himself any favors by being an absolute twat, but outside of that, I couldn't see myself wanting to make any kind of effort for these people. Armageddon has dragged itself down to a level where the types of people who still actively participate in the community are largely the types of people who can't be reasoned with, because they drove off the rest. It's kind of sad to witness because I can't see a way back for them.
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Post by nullentropy on Jun 28, 2017 19:50:41 GMT -5
There's a certain part of me that can understand not wanting to staff for the current playerbase. Not that I sympathize with Nerg in any real way, but too many of those who still play Armageddon are the types of players who were more concerned with preserving their own karma than with speaking their mind, and I can definitely see how it must be terrible trying to deal with such people. He doesn't do himself any favors by being an absolute twat, but outside of that, I couldn't see myself wanting to make any kind of effort for these people. Armageddon has dragged itself down to a level where the types of people who still actively participate in the community are largely the types of people who can't be reasoned with, because they drove off the rest. It's kind of sad to witness because I can't see a way back for them. I share your sympathy for the current staff members that didn't have a hand in gleefully driving off so many good players. |
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Post by ibusoe on Jun 29, 2017 9:56:28 GMT -5
lol, all of Noted Liar Nergal's responses are deleted. poof, as if it never happened just like with Arm 2.0 And some people question the need for a Shadow Board. |
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Post by OT on Jun 29, 2017 16:54:40 GMT -5
Ah, but don't you know that this community is actually devoted to bringing down the game? We're all players who were correctly banned for unspeakable crimes against humanity and are now attacking Armageddon by doing such things as quoting admins and discussing the changelog.
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Post by grumble on Jun 29, 2017 22:29:37 GMT -5
It's amazing anyone still plays that piece of shit. That said, all things taken together, on the whole, it's humanity that's toxic. Think about it, just about every established game you come across, is going to be suffering to some extent from the same amount of bullshit horse-fuckery.
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Post by jjhardy on Jun 30, 2017 13:16:17 GMT -5
GDB users are some of the most miserable and loathsome people -- if they can even be called people. when i first started these boards, i drove out to the boards.net headquarters and put down a circle of salt to protect these boards from those unholy creatures. like the lovecraftian horrors they are, they drove the most ginka-thumping staff member into madness with their jezebel-level snark. just reading two sentences of a lizzie comment gave me a nosebleed and forced me to lay down so that i may recover my strength. I just stopped by to say, "Fuck Lizzie" |
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Post by legendary on Jun 30, 2017 16:42:11 GMT -5
In a way, I feel like he should be congratulated.
It's been a long time since a member of the staff posted something honest, a real opinion without the mandated filters. He's surely as responsible for his angst as the people he blew up at, but it was an honest blow up and nothing he said is technically wrong. The community of the game has been growing more and more disgusting for well over a decade, and is now at the worst I have ever seen it. A casual browsing of the GDB reveals the same bakers dozen of posters, posting the same things, getting the same responses, ad nauseam.
I'll throw my "fuck lizzie" in the pile, too.
With the kinds of login-logout and meta-game clique bullshit that saggy skank is known for, along with her community eroding toxicity, I'm surprised that someone staff side didn't get rid of them by now. You need only browse a thread to see how openly she's trolling, or otherwise harassing and insulting people. Just because it's nestled between layers of vapid, looks-almost-constructive-at-a-glance drivel doesn't change what it is. It's the kind of thing that would cause a new, casually interested player to turn right back around and never look back.
It's sad to see the game wither like this. I always worried it would burn down, but seeing it now... I think it would have been better if it melted down for good during the 2.0 fiasco. If nothing else, it would be preferable to seeing the hard work of so many former staff and players alike being used to prop up the current administration, who seem more interested in refining the tepid remains of the playerbase into boring, unmotivated drones.
And the players... I suppose if they're happy with what they have, good for them.
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Post by grumble on Jul 2, 2017 3:50:27 GMT -5
My impression, while I don't like or agree with hardly anything Lizzie has to say is, she's playing devil's advocate... her posts suck balls because her people skills online are like, -11. A lot of people here hate on some players that, while their wording sucks, really don't deserve it. I hate to say it, but sometimes the whole paranoid/delusional perceptton of the shadowboards reinforces itself due to some posts. I'm sure Bitter remembers when I compared Lizzy to a ham sandwich that somehow managed to finish "The Prince", which was more a work of satire than strategy. Her posts are dumb a nails, please don't follow suit in your judgement.
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Post by jjhardy on Jul 6, 2017 11:26:27 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think the rape ban should be cause for that much consternation. It was a slightly puzzling decision, considering the nature of the game and the fact that it ran for over two decades without any apparent call for such a rule, but this change of all things is hardly high on the list of reasonable complaints. The main argument against it would be that there's an entire race whose existence is mainly down to rape, as per the game's own documentation. The inability to actually do it yourself isn't something that should seriously hinder anybody. It's more that it sends the message that "the people who run this game are horrified by the notion of rape even within fiction; meanwhile, here's a race whose lore is steeped in rape." A new player might see that and wonder if putting that in their background will be controversial and, consequently, what other parts of the documentation shouldn't be taken at face value? It's kind of a breach of the gameworld's integrity. The banning of words is a much more ridiculous and pointless policy. Who gives a flying fuck if a unique and naturally evolved word in the fictional fantasy setting of Zalanthas sounds vaguely similar to " Censored word here because this asshole is an asshole." It's almost insulting to black people if you insinuate that you think they'd refrain from playing for that reason. These words have etymologies that actually spring naturally from the game's setting. Glad to see you took the opportunity to use the N-word, couldn't bother to use the term 'N-word' could you, tsk tsk tsk. For the record, WE Black people don't want someone deciding if we would or would not play and btw, WE would not, but no thanks for not asking and instead speaking on behalf of a group of people to which you do not belong. |
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Post by punished ppurg on Jul 6, 2017 17:07:43 GMT -5
Ah, jjhardy is a legitimate person of color with legitimate person of color opinions. He speaks for the entire person of color community; I commend you, sir! Tell me, my african american friend, does the injection of identity politics here into the community and a collective administrative uproar over offending your sensibilities (even on a tertiary level through high-fantasy terminology) make you like the game better, or does it detract from the fantasy experience for you? How do you think it applies to people other than yourself, perhaps not interested in seeing their hobby be infected with this pseudo-anti-racism? You see, I have to ask you — because due to this game you want to play of me being a cis white enabled male, I'm incapable of rationalizing or predicting other persons' points of view primarily on the basis of their differing skin color. |
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Post by picklehead on Jul 6, 2017 21:07:37 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think the rape ban should be cause for that much consternation. It was a slightly puzzling decision, considering the nature of the game and the fact that it ran for over two decades without any apparent call for such a rule, but this change of all things is hardly high on the list of reasonable complaints. The main argument against it would be that there's an entire race whose existence is mainly down to rape, as per the game's own documentation. The inability to actually do it yourself isn't something that should seriously hinder anybody. It's more that it sends the message that "the people who run this game are horrified by the notion of rape even within fiction; meanwhile, here's a race whose lore is steeped in rape." A new player might see that and wonder if putting that in their background will be controversial and, consequently, what other parts of the documentation shouldn't be taken at face value? It's kind of a breach of the gameworld's integrity. The banning of words is a much more ridiculous and pointless policy. Who gives a flying fuck if a unique and naturally evolved word in the fictional fantasy setting of Zalanthas sounds vaguely similar to " Censored word here because this asshole is an asshole." It's almost insulting to black people if you insinuate that you think they'd refrain from playing for that reason. These words have etymologies that actually spring naturally from the game's setting. Glad to see you took the opportunity to use the N-word, couldn't bother to use the term 'N-word' could you, tsk tsk tsk. For the record, WE Black people don't want someone deciding if we would or would not play and btw, WE would not, but no thanks for not asking and instead speaking on behalf of a group of people to which you do not belong. Is this real outrage? I don't personally use the n-word because I recognize it's offensive and beyond that I don't have purpose to use it. However, why is it still ok for black people to use it casually time and time again, in conversation and music? That aspect of the usage makes no sense to me. And to call out OT and others for using it to have a conversation about the word itself makes zero fucking sense. |
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Post by jcarter on Jul 6, 2017 23:35:42 GMT -5
i'm locking this thread as it has served its purpose. i've also editted out n-bombs that i've seen, for two major reasons
1)i am worried this violates the free host's terms of use
2)this is a website for Arm and text-based video games; arguing over real-life race and racially charged language is far outside the scope and tone for what i want these boards to be.
given the above, i'm squashing further discussion of this.
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