julio
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Post by julio on Jun 23, 2017 10:58:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure if you ask any one who's been raped if they would have rather been tortured and murdered: that'd be worse. Killing is a far worse crime.
Though, I think I better understand rape from an RP perspective and the complications of how players relate to it. With that said: Muls are a big problem in that their existence can only be a product of rape. How can the game position an entire race based on an act that is forbidden?
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Jun 23, 2017 11:05:05 GMT -5
As noted above by other players, but also my take: I feel like dealing with the aftermath of rape RP is one of the most awkward and not fun scenarios to deal with. There's more attention drawn to rape than murder in a fiction world where it shouldn't be. That's because of the RL gravity of such an act and it's certainly more relatable to our lives than murder. Plots are swallowed up and drowned by anything rape related. It's just not fun imo. so tldr it was annoying for u dealing with idiots who are shit at separating the game from rl and ppl maybe didnt like their plots getting raptored by laughably overthetop reactions to rape thats more of an ig problem. staff is there to support the integrity of the game theme not capitulate to players who prob shouldnt be playing that kind of game in the 1st place, of course this is exactly what happened and now fastforward to today uve got a staff member considering banning certain words because players are worried about offending other -players- because not only cant they separate rl from fantasy but they cant help but actively project some really fucked up links theyve made up in their own heads between fantasy creatures and the minorities theyre playing with on the other side of the screen, and then expect a fantasy game to change in response to their rl anxieties abt that the rape policy was an unthematic unrealistic change that only reflected how much staff changed from an attitude of trimming the fat (only bothering with players who fully accepted the game premise and theme) to storing for winter (staff anxiety abt losing players) because they otherwise wouldnt have wasted any time entertaining ooc drama from players incapable of or unwilling to accept all the bad shit that can happen to their chars in that setting |
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Post by OT on Jun 23, 2017 11:36:07 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think the rape ban should be cause for that much consternation. It was a slightly puzzling decision, considering the nature of the game and the fact that it ran for over two decades without any apparent call for such a rule, but this change of all things is hardly high on the list of reasonable complaints. The main argument against it would be that there's an entire race whose existence is mainly down to rape, as per the game's own documentation. The inability to actually do it yourself isn't something that should seriously hinder anybody.
It's more that it sends the message that "the people who run this game are horrified by the notion of rape even within fiction; meanwhile, here's a race whose lore is steeped in rape." A new player might see that and wonder if putting that in their background will be controversial and, consequently, what other parts of the documentation shouldn't be taken at face value? It's kind of a breach of the gameworld's integrity.
The banning of words is a much more ridiculous and pointless policy. Who gives a flying fuck if a unique and naturally evolved word in the fictional fantasy setting of Zalanthas sounds vaguely similar to the n-word. It's almost insulting to black people if you insinuate that you think they'd refrain from playing for that reason. These words have etymologies that actually spring naturally from the game's setting.
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Post by yevad on Jun 23, 2017 11:45:23 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think the rape ban should be cause for that much consternation. It was a slightly puzzling decision, considering the nature of the game and the fact that it ran for over two decades without any apparent call for such a rule, but this change of all things is hardly high on the list of reasonable complaints. The main argument against it would be that there's an entire race whose existence is mainly down to rape, as per the game's own documentation. The inability to actually do it yourself isn't something that should seriously hinder anybody. It's more that it sends the message that "the people who run this game are horrified by the notion of rape even within fiction; meanwhile, here's a race whose lore is steeped in rape." A new player might see that and wonder if putting that in their background will be controversial and, consequently, what other parts of the documentation shouldn't be taken at face value? It's kind of a breach of the gameworld's integrity. Two races, even. Half-elves and muls. |
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Post by jkarr on Jun 23, 2017 11:47:38 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think the rape ban should be cause for that much consternation. It was a slightly puzzling decision, considering the nature of the game and the fact that it ran for over two decades without any apparent call for such a rule, but this change of all things is hardly high on the list of reasonable complaints. where it ranks on ur list of reasonable complaints isnt relevant to why it came up it got brought up when someone pointed to it as one of the earlier signs of how the game is shifting away from theme towards more rl sensibilities |
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Post by ibusoe on Jun 23, 2017 12:45:48 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think the rape ban should be cause for that much consternation. It was a slightly puzzling decision, considering the nature of the game and the fact that it ran for over two decades without any apparent call for such a rule, but this change of all things is hardly high on the list of reasonable complaints. The main argument against it would be that there's an entire race whose existence is mainly down to rape, as per the game's own documentation. The inability to actually do it yourself isn't something that should seriously hinder anybody. It's more that it sends the message that "the people who run this game are horrified by the notion of rape even within fiction; meanwhile, here's a race whose lore is steeped in rape." A new player might see that and wonder if putting that in their background will be controversial and, consequently, what other parts of the documentation shouldn't be taken at face value? It's kind of a breach of the gameworld's integrity. The banning of words is a much more ridiculous and pointless policy. Who gives a flying fuck if a unique and naturally evolved word in the fictional fantasy setting of Zalanthas sounds vaguely similar to the n-word. It's almost insulting to black people if you insinuate that you think they'd refrain from playing for that reason. These words have etymologies that actually spring naturally from the game's setting. When I was in public high school, we read To Kill A Mockingbird. The book had the N-word and rape. We discussed the book at length in my English class. The GDB is more conservative than the public high school that I went to. And it's a video game. |
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Post by punished ppurg on Jun 23, 2017 13:28:43 GMT -5
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Post by my2sids on Jun 23, 2017 22:47:50 GMT -5
As noted above by other players, but also my take: I feel like dealing with the aftermath of rape RP is one of the most awkward and not fun scenarios to deal with. There's more attention drawn to rape than murder in a fiction world where it shouldn't be. That's because of the RL gravity of such an act and it's certainly more relatable to our lives than murder. Plots are swallowed up and drowned by anything rape related. It's just not fun imo. thats more of an ig problem. staff is there to support the integrity of the game theme not capitulate to players who prob shouldnt be playing that kind of game in the 1st place, of course this is exactly what happened and now fastforward to today uve got a staff member considering banning certain words because players are worried about offending other -players- because not only cant they separate rl from fantasy but they cant help but actively project some really fucked up links theyve made up in their own heads between fantasy creatures and the minorities theyre playing with on the other side of the screen, and then expect a fantasy game to change in response to their rl anxieties abt that the rape policy was an unthematic unrealistic change that only reflected how much staff changed from an attitude of trimming the fat (only bothering with players who fully accepted the game premise and theme) to storing for winter (staff anxiety abt losing players) because they otherwise wouldnt have wasted any time entertaining ooc drama from players incapable of or unwilling to accept all the bad shit that can happen to their chars in that setting Yes, that's what staff have publically stated as one of the primary reasons for banning rape. Rape subplots would take over entire city populations and turn into a lynch mob when that's not a realistic canon reaction. Also, as a player that's accidentally been involved in a rape subplot as the victim and several other times being peripherally involved--I just don't think it adds much to the game itself because of the play surrounding it being so out of place. |
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Post by grumble on Jun 24, 2017 3:36:40 GMT -5
Not to mention there's always the possibility someone could just, make up an imaginary incident (no offense to any real life victims, but this is Zalanthas and people make stuff up all the time)... but the reverse is true now, which is to say you could report someone saying or implying so and so did whodiddly. It's just a messy situation and it's likely no fun to have to fucking wade through such bullshit.
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Post by deadelf on Jun 24, 2017 5:25:39 GMT -5
The uncreative solution: Report -> Punish
Another solution: Create an "end of story" command.
">eos rape" "You fall in the ensuing struggle and break your neck."
I would end of story on a gem, slavery, many events. Hell, I ended many stories because someone else died and it's just easier to start fresh. I'm not going to play a sad story. Just like I don't read some books or watch some movies. Zero interest.
But just because I don't like something doesn't mean other people don't. Hell, a bunch of people like sparkly vampires.
To be fair, rape/death, should have dice rolls and not just power emoting so the victim has a chance to do permanent damage or gets away. Wimpy shit boy/gal should get their privates cut off in their lame attempt. I think some chick at the bar with a string of dicks around her neck would be awesome. Dead bodies along the streets that were obviously violated would also give rise to a find the "jack the ripper" plot.
The world is supposed to be dangerous. Your story could come to an end at any moment no matter what your station.
Nobody should be forced to play out what they don't want. But they shouldn't be safe from it either.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Jun 24, 2017 5:51:33 GMT -5
Meh, I know I argued against it at first, but after some time I think the removal of rape as an active thing that can be done wasn't a terrible move.
Like... On one hand, I get it.
Harsh brutal harsh death bone swords whatever.
On the other, I've witnessed on two separate occasions a full-on witch hunt for accused rapists, one of them for sure didn't even do anything.
It was all pitchforks and torches from the get-go-- and it wasn't a small number of players involved with capturing and beheading in either case.
Was all kinda silly, given the setting. Was probably easier to ban the practice than to try defending it.
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Post by jkarr on Jun 24, 2017 23:37:32 GMT -5
The world is supposed to be dangerous. Your story could come to an end at any moment no matter what your station. Nobody should be forced to play out what they don't want. But they shouldn't be safe from it either. bingo u respond as ur char when that char sees someone acting that way, maybe ur char is understanding since the other pcs brother was who got violated, maybe in another situation theyre repulsed why so many ppl would care about one breed that got tore up , but if its happening ig ur only job is to have ur char respond to it as they would u dont respond to an oversensitive pbase by removing thematic ig dangers instead u do spot corrections and show realistic game responses to that kind of hysteria and u dont waste time managing player sensitivities to gw consequences they wont accept Meh, I know I argued against it at first, but after some time I think the removal of rape as an active thing that can be done wasn't a terrible move. Like... On one hand, I get it. Harsh brutal harsh death bone swords whatever. On the other, I've witnessed on two separate occasions a full-on witch hunt for accused rapists, one of them for sure didn't even do anything.
It was all pitchforks and torches from the get-go-- and it wasn't a small number of players involved with capturing and beheading in either case.
Was all kinda silly, given the setting. Was probably easier to ban the practice than to try defending it. or how about that kind of recent widespread retard lvl response to rape (it only kicked up like this in the last few years) exposed just how little excitement or activity players were getting from the plots that were already in play and its a lot easier to remove what makes it obvious rather than address the other reasons why everyone thought it was a better use of their time to chase down john wayne gacy |
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Post by nullentropy on Jun 28, 2017 13:02:46 GMT -5
Wow. Impotent ragequitting is no longer just for the players, it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 13:42:22 GMT -5
The world is supposed to be dangerous. Your story could come to an end at any moment no matter what your station. Nobody should be forced to play out what they don't want. But they shouldn't be safe from it either. bingo u respond as ur char when that char sees someone acting that way, maybe ur char is understanding since the other pcs brother was who got violated, maybe in another situation theyre repulsed why so many ppl would care about one breed that got tore up , but if its happening ig ur only job is to have ur char respond to it as they would u dont respond to an oversensitive pbase by removing thematic ig dangers instead u do spot corrections and show realistic game responses to that kind of hysteria and u dont waste time managing player sensitivities to gw consequences they wont accept Meh, I know I argued against it at first, but after some time I think the removal of rape as an active thing that can be done wasn't a terrible move. Like... On one hand, I get it. Harsh brutal harsh death bone swords whatever. On the other, I've witnessed on two separate occasions a full-on witch hunt for accused rapists, one of them for sure didn't even do anything.
It was all pitchforks and torches from the get-go-- and it wasn't a small number of players involved with capturing and beheading in either case.
Was all kinda silly, given the setting. Was probably easier to ban the practice than to try defending it. or how about that kind of recent widespread retard lvl response to rape (it only kicked up like this in the last few years) exposed just how little excitement or activity players were getting from the plots that were already in play and its a lot easier to remove what makes it obvious rather than address the other reasons why everyone thought it was a better use of their time to chase down john wayne gacy I figured the removal was as much about triggering some players as it was about marketing the game to new players, or cleaning up a public image when using Arm staffing as a resume option. I wouldnt want to be professionally known as the guy who runs a furry mudsex mush, after all. YMMV. |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jun 28, 2017 14:14:19 GMT -5
Wow. Impotent ragequitting is no longer just for the players, it seems.
As we are so often needlessly reminded, most staff members start out as players. |
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