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Post by OT on Jun 21, 2017 7:16:39 GMT -5
The other tenet of the problem is the wide distribution between what the cool kids have in game, and what the have-nots are able to access. This gap entices players to do sneaky and disingenuous things to get ahead. Like someone said recently in another thread, nobody wants to be the eight-day warrior to get one-shotted in an HRPT. This is where I've been saying that the extended subguilds are a huge sleeper problem for the game. It used to be that any player always had universal access to characters that could be "tier 1" in playability, for lack of a better term -- a human ranger, warrior, assassin, whatever. You could make such a character and become the best. Half-giants and muls exist sort of outside the spectrum due to the extreme RP constraints placed on them, and the same went for the old elementalist guilds because they were a different playstyle altogether and didn't infringe much on mundane play. Armageddon is also a game where people frequently start over. I'd wager at least a third of the playerbase past and present has had more than one account. People look for a fresh start, or return after years of absence. It's a game whose culture can compel players to want a personal reboot. It was a big factor of player retention that you could do this and have access to character options that didn't have hamstrung potential. Somebody who had two karma and lost it to some staff bullshit because they once PKed an admin's pet character and became subject of the "let's see what we can punish him for" kind of scrutiny that Nyr loved so much; that player moves to a different address, misses the game, and makes a new account to start over. Or they used to. Now, faced with the reality that their characters would be at the bottom of the totem pole for quite a while, they're much less likely to bother, and becomes a lost player instead. Before these changes, you had the freedom to not care. When they added extended/magick subguilds, suddenly players had much more cause to fret about their karma and standing with the staff, and those who might have considered returning were discouraged by the knowledge that their characters would be second-rate. You wanna know what the difference is between a basic ranger and one that gets master parry and shield use? It's at least 30% sheer combat power. A warrior with master sneak/hide? An assassin with strength buffs? You get the idea. It takes such a long time to work up a meaningful character that doing it with one that has far less potential than other people's characters is deeply unpalatable. You'll be playing on freemium mode. Who wants that? This change did two things: a decline in player retention and a rise in sycophancy. The latter has created a really nasty atmosphere in the game and on the GDB as some players don't abide by it and have soured on the community, even if they still play. Players become hostile toward eachother because they're sick of seeing people frantically fellate the staff just to protect their privileges, enabling staff's awful behaviour. Staff corruption and indecency has of course also played a big part in this and in the declining player numbers, but I've been saying that the change to the "character economy" is a considerable factor as well, and one that few people seem to consider. No doubt staff enjoys the unwavering worship from a portion of the playerbase, but this is not a healthy situation for a game of this type. It creates a terrible community culture and makes it far less desirable for new or returning players. The equality between mundane characters was extremely important for the game's well-being.
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Jun 22, 2017 0:35:08 GMT -5
Preserving this for truth.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Jun 22, 2017 3:23:40 GMT -5
dear fuck talk about living up to ur name my sides have left me
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Post by deadelf on Jun 22, 2017 4:57:38 GMT -5
Am I the only one who sees this as related to the current political hysteria? If one person was RP'ing poorly then why not just deal with that person?
I never saw the words Necker or Stump as insults to begin with, silly references to tall and short at worst. But now they are on a roll - trying to purge the world of any word, real or imagined that could possibly be construed as insulting. I think they've gone completely mental.
I quit playing. I'm done with that place. I think the problem is much more insidious than Nergal. The SJW's have arrived and they are scrubbing the world clean. Fuck that shit.
I'll post some things here then ride off into the sunset.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jun 22, 2017 9:31:15 GMT -5
Am I the only one who sees this as related to the current political hysteria? If one person was RP'ing poorly then why not just deal with that person? I never saw the words Necker or Stump as insults to begin with, silly references to tall and short at worst. But now they are on a roll - trying to purge the world of any word, real or imagined that could possibly be construed as insulting. I think they've gone completely mental. I quit playing. I'm done with that place. I think the problem is much more insidious than Noted Liar Nergal. The SJW's have arrived and they are scrubbing the world clean. Fuck that shit. I'll post some things here then ride off into the sunset. QFT You may want to check up on optionalrealities.com for MUDs being proposed or in development.
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Post by ibusoe on Jun 22, 2017 11:13:18 GMT -5
Am I the only one who sees this as related to the current political hysteria? If one person was RP'ing poorly then why not just deal with that person? I never saw the words Necker or Stump as insults to begin with, silly references to tall and short at worst. But now they are on a roll - trying to purge the world of any word, real or imagined that could possibly be construed as insulting. I think they've gone completely mental. I quit playing. I'm done with that place. I think the problem is much more insidious than Noted Liar Nergal. The SJW's have arrived and they are scrubbing the world clean. Fuck that shit. I'll post some things here then ride off into the sunset. I would argue that the first sign of trouble was when they banned rape. Armageddon was always a shock game. If you took out the violence, crime and racism there would be nothing left. They've removed the crime and racism.
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my2sids
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Post by my2sids on Jun 22, 2017 14:55:01 GMT -5
Banning rape was a good change.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Jun 22, 2017 15:47:54 GMT -5
Banning rape was a good change. how
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Post by OT on Jun 22, 2017 16:01:33 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever even heard of a rape taking place in-game. I was pretty ambivalent about the change, but it did seem strange to do it after so many years where nobody had brought it up. That made it come off as a yet another meaningless reductionist decision rather than a change brought on by necessity. It was more about the message that it sent than the negligible effect it had on the actual game.
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seuly
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Post by seuly on Jun 22, 2017 16:17:22 GMT -5
I play predominantly female characters. I cannot count how many times rape was implied, or blatantly threatened, to my characters by both male and female PCs. I was about to nope the fuck out, but stayed when the ban went live. I shouldn't have to be forced to role-play out the trauma of that. Rape should not be for shock value, and it should not be a weapon.
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Jun 22, 2017 17:53:00 GMT -5
It was removed because it was impossible for characters to respond appropriately to the situation, typically, due to OOC feelings on the matter at hand frequently impacting IC realities, not because of anyone's sensitivity to the matter, iirc...
Or at least, that's what they told us, and it made sense to me, not trying to imply that I think it was done for any other reason. The protection this affords some players is simply a side-benefit. I think it was poor form of them to make this announcement on Christmas day, leading to the infamous Christmas day rape ban thread, but it happened and they likely weren't expecting all the conflicted opinions on the matter to come out. I think the real problem is, the discussion didn't take place until AFTER the change was made, at least, player-side.
Removing the slang-word for elf, however... that's another beast entirely, and one that indicates that mayhaps the slippery slope argument had a good deal more merit than it did at the time.
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Post by lyse on Jun 22, 2017 18:50:23 GMT -5
I play predominantly female characters. I cannot count how many times rape was implied, or blatantly threatened, to my characters by both male and female PCs. I was about to nope the fuck out, but stayed when the ban went live. I shouldn't have to be forced to role-play out the trauma of that. Rape should not be for shock value, and it should not be a weapon. That's because it's a bro game, it's always had a kind of fratboy culture.
It cracks me up when people try to pretend certain pc's aren't Creepy Mccreepsters . Anaiah had a character that was raped. Rape rp is a thing and certain types of players seek it out. That said, threatening to stab said Creepy McCreepster in the face usually stops them. I really don't see the value of a "Rape plot" personally and it's going to either end up as an attention roleplay or a "Kill the rapist!!!". Despite that I don't think it should have been taken out of the game, again the game world is supposed to be a fucked up place, where fucked up things happen. I've said it before, I'm always surprised how little people swear and use little fake swear words like "Feck". Killing a dude and cutting off is head is kosher, but say Fuck and people are like "Oh my...goodness me. Language."
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Jun 22, 2017 19:13:59 GMT -5
Don't forget to do naughty things with said severed head in front of the Gaj.(remember, it's not rape if they're dead ) I've personally stuffed at least one severed head in the Byn's latrine troughs, and arranged it so it was bobbing, dead-eyed, in sewage.
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Post by dunebum on Jun 22, 2017 22:00:33 GMT -5
Nergal after posting in a GDB thread:
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my2sids
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Post by my2sids on Jun 23, 2017 8:39:49 GMT -5
Banning rape was a good change. how As noted above by other players, but also my take: I feel like dealing with the aftermath of rape RP is one of the most awkward and not fun scenarios to deal with. There's more attention drawn to rape than murder in a fiction world where it shouldn't be. That's because of the RL gravity of such an act and it's certainly more relatable to our lives than murder. Plots are swallowed up and drowned by anything rape related. It's just not fun imo.
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