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Post by lyse on May 5, 2015 11:26:42 GMT -5
During th e copper war there was a elkran working for the north that was slaughtering allanaki pcs. 3 or 4 would go out on partrol, they would run in and chain lightning. One or two less pcs would come back, the others would be below half health, and the elkran was fine. It was pretty scary and a huge psychological blow against allanak, which had a team of mages i was part of who couldnt do shit to stop them. Elkrans are nothing to fuck with OMG I led a patrol that ran into him one time. I remember he one shotted somebody and disappeared, then we ran into a silt flyer and a pack of raptors at like half health...it was crazy. |
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Post by fatfinger on May 5, 2015 12:35:56 GMT -5
Ruk and viv can feed and water themselves, while elkrosians are 100% self-sustaining.
Ruk are 100% self sustaining as well.
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Post by sirra on May 5, 2015 14:19:14 GMT -5
In my vague recollection from circa ~2008, I remembered chain lightning as needing a special component (like the krathi fireball and a statue or whatever it was...I can't even recall) in order for you to have a reasonable chance of killing anyone with more than 100 HPs before your mana ran out. I don't know if I take the war HRPT, where things were a bit batshit and overpowered on both sides, as being entirely representative of your average elkros' ability. Not to mention, an event custom made for eating chain lightning if there ever was one.
Obviously, there are few spells in the game that are great fun to eat in the face, standing there while a mage uses all their mana. But I love someone to try it on me, with max charge waiting for them.
The only gicker I really fear is whiran, because of hands of wind/summon. I hate whirans.
Nilazis are usually too busy solo emoting to ever bother me. Can't remember EVER being bothered by one outside the infamous 'rinth one, in 10+ years.
Krathis, ruks and vivs are all manageable by a good ranger.
The worst a drov can do is ogle your dick.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 14:21:39 GMT -5
You don't wanna melee an elkrosian, you want to shoot him.
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Post by sirra on May 5, 2015 14:22:38 GMT -5
You don't wanna melee an elkrosian, you want to shoot him. True enough. That's pretty much the case for all mages. But they're way less tanky than vivs, ruks or krathis. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 14:23:53 GMT -5
Yeah but you'll kill yourself on energy shield.
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Post by sirra on May 5, 2015 14:41:14 GMT -5
Yeah but you'll kill yourself on energy shield. I admit, it's been like six years since I even saw an elkrosi in combat, and I've always found them boring, but I do remember seeing energy shield in action. A fairly famous dude, a templar or a sorc, killed himself on it one time. But I vaguely recall it being not entirely reliable That did slip my mind though, the damage rebounder. I can't remember how long/how many hits it lasts. But I do know, that if you have to face a mage in the same room as you are, bashing or charging them is an imperative. Also. Energy shield can't be that powerful, or else no elrkosi would need to use chain lightning. They could just run into a room and let a unit of Byn die by hitting them. In any case, I remember who I consider an expert on gickers, breaking them all down, and elkrosi had some damning drawbacks compared to krathi/ruk/viv. But it's hard to remember specifics from like ~2008 AIM chats. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 14:44:19 GMT -5
I can't remember the exact mechanics either, but I know renowned fighters have killed themselves against energy shield.
Elkrosians suffer from having almost no defensive magic other than godspeed, and no way to avoid danger other than walking away. They can do that really quickly, granted, but sometimes walking away isn't an option at all in which case you want spells like burrow and teleport, or even just calm. Krathis make up for their scant defensive arsenal with ridiculous stats and combat power.
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Post by lulz on May 5, 2015 20:59:13 GMT -5
No offense sirra, but just stop talking about elkrans. You know nothing of what you speak.
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Post by sirra on May 5, 2015 21:11:36 GMT -5
No offense sirra, but just stop talking about elkrans. You know nothing of what you speak. I don't know everything of which I speak, but I know a whole lot more than nothing. The one example you or anyone else has given me about an elkran's ability is chain lightning. Okay, great. Chain lightning is bananas. It can hit someone six times. It can be used on a unit of Byn. You can get point blank with someone and let it rip. I did not know that at sul+ it would keep hitting the same person and not yourself in the same room. I am forever grateful for learning that. I did forget about the elkrosi energy shield damage rebounder. But I also vaguely recall it having some serious drawbacks. Otherwise, why not just run into a room and stand there doing nothing, or letting meks kill themselves on you? I'd sincerely like your insight on this, lulz. Nothing that's been raised has shifted me from my initial point, that ruks, krathis and vivs were all ultimately more dangerous opponents when fully realized. I've played ruks, krathis and vivs, so I would know. I've never apped an elkros, because of my perception of them as having limited survivability. One or two facets about them slipped my mind, since I haven't played an arm gicker since the Iraq War. But your assertion that I know nothing about them is risible. I've played around them for years. Please. Tell me where I'm wrong, and that elkros have greater survivability and ultimate potential than those three gickers. If you can, I'd love to hear it, I'd find it fascinating, and would give you a thumbs up. If all you've got for me is chain lightning, then you officially know one more thing about elkrosis than I do. Don't be such a twit. Back that shit up. Drop the mic on me and prove it. At least it'll be a learning experience. And remember. I'm not asserting elkros are worse than a mundane. But I am asserting, that for pvp purposes, ruks, krathis and vivs (and whirans) are ultimately better. If I'm not wrong, then STFU. And if I am right, then I could care less about their one good trick, or what anyone can do to a hypothetical unit of bynners. I can take a ten day ranger and fuck-stomp a hypothetical unit of bynners. |
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Post by grumble on May 5, 2015 21:22:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 21:23:34 GMT -5
Elkrosian shield reflects exact or more damage given. Which means whatever you're dealing, you're getting right back, or more. Which means if you caught a single bolt in your head, you can 'NOT' win in melee. Like mathematically, you will not. Doesnt matter if he is prone, or up. Doesnt matter if he went afk. If your hp is below his, you will kill yourself before he dies.
Elkrosian weapons are pretty shit as parrying, but they will slice and 'will' hurt you. So in reality, most elkrosians that I feared, didnt really 'need' to lightning bolt any individuals. They came out with spells when destroying groups. They're also the only one mage (or perhaps whiran), who can deal massive damage to people from a distance. Fire Seed is ... clunky. But Elkrosians can do some pretty nasty crap. Not 100% guaranteed, but definitely worriesome.
And honestly, if they pull off a paralyze on you. You're done. Much like sleep, or charm, or blind/curse.
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Post by sirra on May 5, 2015 21:30:53 GMT -5
Elkrosian shield reflects exact or more damage given. Which means whatever you're dealing, you're getting right back, or more. Which means if you caught a single bolt in your head, you can 'NOT' win in melee. Like mathematically, you will not. Doesnt matter if he is prone, or up. Doesnt matter if he went afk. If your hp is below his, you will kill yourself before he dies. Elkrosian weapons are pretty shit as parrying, but they will slice and 'will' hurt you. So in reality, most elkrosians that I feared, didnt really 'need' to lightning bolt any individuals. They came out with spells when destroying groups. They're also the only one mage (or perhaps whiran), who can deal massive damage to people from a distance. Fire Seed is ... clunky. But Elkrosians can do some pretty nasty crap. Not 100% guaranteed, but definitely worriesome. And honestly, if they pull off a paralyze on you. You're done. Much like sleep, or charm, or blind/curse. So basically, if a elkrosi is fighting a group, and they get charged/bashed down, they're still fucked, whatever damage gets rebounded in the process. I'll take my chances with having more hitpoints than an elkrosi. And this reminds me why sorcerers get much better use out of energy shield than lightning elementalists. All the stuff they can combine it with. (Presumably in an energy shield scenario, there is more than one mundane vs an elkrosi. If it's just one asshole vs a gicker, then you're either playing hide and seek with archery, ambushing them somehow while they're unprepared, or dead...regardless of which of dozens of spells are used to gib you)For the record, I lump paralyze in with sleep, charm, blind/curse, vivuadan poison, etc. All the gickers have an ultimate 'fuck you' spell that will ruin any mundane's day against gickers. Ruks, vivs and krathis still feel comfortably in the lead to me. Also, a krathi with the right component can do massive ranged damage. But the impression I'm getting is that elkrosis are good at killing mundanes and units of bynners when taken unawares. Well. Big...fucking...deal. |
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Post by lyse on May 5, 2015 21:39:05 GMT -5
I kind of want and arm game where we could just make characters and test all this stuff out.
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Post by lulz on May 5, 2015 21:56:05 GMT -5
No offense sirra, but just stop talking about elkrans. You know nothing of what you speak. I don't know everything of which I speak, but I know a whole lot more than nothing. The one example you or anyone else has given me about an elkran's ability is chain lightning. Try running away from a mon lightning storm in the desert after your mount has been blasted in the face. I can cover entire ZONES with a massive lightning storm and quicken before you even realize what's going on. Good luck. I did not know that at sul+ it would keep hitting the same person and not yourself in the same room. I am forever grateful for learning that. Reread what I said please. It has nothing to do with the power level and everything to do with your skill (look at the myriad skill sheets other people posted and you'll know what I'm talking about). I did forget about the elkrosi energy shield damage rebounder. But I also vaguely recall it having some serious drawbacks. Otherwise, why not just run into a room and stand there doing nothing, or letting meks kill themselves on you? I'd sincerely like your insight on this, lulz. Cut the snark you sniveling twat -- shut the fuck up and allow me to educate you. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to elkrosians. You don't. Kindly shut the fuck up and listen. Throwing energy shield on and running into a group of targets is about the stupidest thing you can do. Yes, they can damage themselves by hitting you, but they will still damage you. Granted, Sujaal killed himself this way, but it was against a fucking half-giant with 200+ hp. Of course he was going to die. Energy shield is perfect against single enemies; against groups you're fucked, thus the best means of attack is what jcarter and another alluded to above. Just to clarify, I was that guy. He was a Silt Wind desert elf and I entered into a deal with a Lirathan to decimate the southern forces for her (Marko) in exchange for a space and shop in Tuluk. I would proceed to quicken into a group of 6 or so, throw out three suls, and ghost the fuck out. That's also the same elf that tricked a conspiring southern blue robe and informed a Red Robe he was planning his demise. That didn't end well for the Blue. Elkrans are perfect for guerrilla warfare. They are not the best class for tanking meks. I never said they were however, so let's not go down that path, fucko. Nothing that's been raised has shifted me from my initial point, that ruks, krathis and vivs were all ultimately more dangerous opponents when fully realized. I've played ruks, krathis and vivs, so I would know. I've never apped an elkros, because of my perception of them as having limited survivability. One or two facets about them slipped my mind, since I haven't played an arm gicker since the Iraq War. But your assertion that I know nothing about them is risible. I've played around them for years. You go on to say you never played an elkrosian before adding it's hilarious I'd posit the notion you don't know much about them:  You ignorant boob. You may have played around them for years, but try one. Just try one. Or shut the fuck up about them since you self-admittedly have zero experience playing one. Having such a "perspective" on a class is akin to saying "I don't like playing elves", despite the fact you (in the general sense) never fucking played one. Please. Tell me where I'm wrong, and that elkros have greater survivability and ultimate potential than those three gickers. If you can, I'd love to hear it, I'd find it fascinating, and would give you a thumbs up. If all you've got for me is chain lightning, then you officially know one more thing about elkrosis than I do. PM me if you really want to know how to own with this class. If I don't receive a PM from you asking genuine questions, I'll know you're merely posturing. Don't be such a twit. Back that shit up. Drop the mic on me and prove it. At least it'll be a learning experience. PM me and I will babygirl. *smooch* And remember. I'm not asserting elkros are worse than a mundane. But I am asserting, that for pvp purposes, ruks, krathis and vivs (and whirans) are ultimately better. If I'm not wrong, then STFU. And if I am right, then I could care less about their one good trick, or what anyone can do to a hypothetical unit of bynners. I can take a ten day ranger and fuck-stomp a hypothetical unit of bynners. It's couldn't care less, you abominable cum-guzzler, Jesus Harold Fucking Christ. PM me or I'm done discussing the viability with a mage class you've never played before yet hold such low regard for. |
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