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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 17:44:27 GMT -5
What is their reasoning for storing crafters? I'll ask the player and holler back. |
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Post by Kronibas 2.0 on Dec 14, 2014 18:25:30 GMT -5
DONT QUESTION THE SYSTEM NYRSUCKS
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Post by gloryhound on Dec 14, 2014 18:54:16 GMT -5
ok, then punish them by not playing anymore. vote with your feet or just keep waiting for nyr to voluntarily resign (lol) Don't you get it? A lot of people have been doing just that. Getting fed up and leaving, except without making a futile post on the GDB first. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 20:10:36 GMT -5
What is their reasoning for storing crafters? I'll ask the player and holler back. She says it was because of inactivity. A non sponsored role who worked their way up to merchant was force stored for no IC reason given, other than inactivity. Yeah, that's a huge incentive to join a merchant clan, let me tell you. Forced storage for inactivity even if you aren't a sponsored role. What at the fuck is this game turning into? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 21:22:51 GMT -5
ok, then punish them by not playing anymore. vote with your feet or just keep waiting for nyr to voluntarily resign (lol) Don't you get it? A lot of people have been doing just that. Getting fed up and leaving, except without making a futile post on the GDB first. Yes, lots of people are leaving. On a larger game, you can get away with that Fuck You attitude as an administrator, but with Armageddon, you eventually run out of people to say Fuck You to. If they're happy with losing their old players while frantically trying to pull in new people, often not succeeding very well, then that's their problem. Driving off old players by just being straight assholes is pissing all over any effort to vote. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE... How about some of you mother fuckers vote out staff members so a lot of people who know a lot about the game and love it immensely can play without having their balls busted? That's what brings in new players: old players who actually give a shit. And they are disappearing by the minute. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 21:52:14 GMT -5
Really he had no choice but to ban you. You're too eloquent at presenting your arguments. You sure know how to make a fella blush. Once before when I blew up at Nyr on the GDB, he went through editing out parts of my post to make himself look better before finally just saying fuck it and deleting it. Some me people criticized me for publicly speaking out, but I think I did it in a non rage quit manner. Nothing in particular spurred that; I had just been reflecting on my past experiences and realized that I still believed that it was a fucked up move. Disagreements, even heated ones, are healthy for any culture. Censorship is not. Silencing me like he did today with the swiftness that he did after I mentioned how many people he has abused is extremely telling. He is aware of his bad behavior and poor temper and doesn't want it discussed. Well listen up guy, if you don't want people to give a reminder as to how truly lame you are, maybe you shouldn't provoke them into that by insulting them. After all, as producer of Armageddon, you should be better than base attacks and that kind of pettiness in full view of your playerbase. But I'm glad you were because that shows the people who were previously none the wiser what sort of rabid hostility you're capable of. I think Barzalane, LauraMars, delerium, and people who have that sort of mentality, ie they are genuinely smart and nice people, should be the voice of the game. It just seems like there are tons of people who aren't abrasive jackasses that would be better suited for dealing with players. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 22:24:19 GMT -5
There was a little bit of backlash on the RAT thread after you received that abuse from staff, Kronibas. Wherever there's a whiff of faint, vague disapproval, you know it means people are genuinely upset but afraid to speak out lest they suffer the same fate as you.
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Post by sirra on Dec 14, 2014 22:45:29 GMT -5
ok, then punish them by not playing anymore. vote with your feet or just keep waiting for nyr to voluntarily resign (lol) Don't you get it? A lot of people have been doing just that. Getting fed up and leaving, except without making a futile post on the GDB first. I quit without saying a thing, several years ago. Plenty of people left like me. This forum wasn't around back then...I wish it had been. |
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Post by sirra on Dec 14, 2014 22:53:00 GMT -5
I have been reading this forum for a while, and though I disagree with some of the info posted, I have been genuinely shocked and disgusted by stories relayed by some players here. There needs to be an outside source of accountability. It is not fair to be dressed down in public and banned on the GDB to prevent defending oneself, but if that were the worst of Nyr's transgressions against those who have the AUDACITY to disagree with him, we as a game would all be in good shape. really dude? first off, you started the dressing down in public. and you posted on ASK THE STAFF of all places. you invited a response when you post stuff on the gdb that is critical of staff you put them in a tough spot, PR wise. they could delete your post, but then theyd be accused of censorship. they could ignore it but then theyd be accused of ignoring player input. so they responded because you didnt give them a choice but to respond. i dont get what people expect when they publicly attack staff. they have everything against you and the right to defend themselves, just as much as you do. (none of the above is questioning what you posted, just playing devil's advocate with your tactics and expectations.) edit: see the dox-drop by vanth against bebop several years ago for an example of this Oh fuck you. Boo hoo, poor staff. They have ALL the power, behind a nearly impenetrable wall of opacity and secrecy, and are never held to accountability. We get enough of that from the NYPD and CIA - we don't need it in our hobby. Most of the time they do delete the post or ignore them, you stupid jackass. The only reason they responded to kronibas at all was because he'd been playing longer than them and had earned his karma the right away. He was a dinosaur and had respect. When it didn't go how they liked, they did delete and then ignore him. The only justification for defending staff is if you're actively benefiting from the system in its current incarnation and don't want the gravy train to end. --- What I wouldn't give for someone to get their hands on the codebase from like 2003 or something, and re-open the game like it used to be, but with a transparent staff structure that took into account voting by the playerbase. I would pay the hosting costs of such a game, so long as each year, the top headstaff were subjected to a majority vote on their authority to continue. They should be treated no differently from chairmen of the board, and we the shareholders. The public airing of debate and response to criticism should be taken for granted as a basic rule of behavior. And nothing about Nyr and Ness' smirky, self-serving circle-jerk in how they responded to Kronibas was even remotely kosher. But that's what you get when a smug cocksucker with a huge inferiority complex is in charge. And I'm not even necessarily against cocksuckers. Some of the best leaders are cocksuckers. There's a few cocksuckers on this forum. But you can't also be a smirky bitch with a gaping confidence problem, leading to hysterical self-defensiveness and painfully desperate affirmation-seeking behavior. There's nothing worse than when someone like that gets a little bit of authority. LOVE ME LOVE ME, I CAN TAKE AWAY YOUR KARMA. |
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Post by jkarr on Dec 14, 2014 23:03:34 GMT -5
What I wouldn't give for someone to get their hands on the codebase from like 2003 or something, and re-open the game like it used to be, but with a transparent staff structure that took into account voting by the playerbase. x infinity The public airing of debate and response to criticism should be taken for granted as a basic rule of behavior. And nothing about Nyr and Ness' smirky, self-serving circle-jerk in how they responded to Kronibas was even remotely kosher. But that's what you get when a smug cocksucker with a huge inferiority complex is in charge. yeah and the thing was ppl were still fine back then swimming in loch ness (lol) because he had great or workable imms running under his swift and lethal punishment mentality to things so it balanced things out well and both kept ppl in line while giving them alot more freedom to try things out. thats def changed with the last couple generations of imms (mainly a select few that we all know) as its become more bureaucratic |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 23:16:17 GMT -5
You guys get it. Glad I decided to post here, and not using some alias.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 23:22:01 GMT -5
There was a little bit of backlash on the RAT thread after you received that abuse from staff, Kronibas. Wherever there's a whiff of faint, vague disapproval, you know it means people are genuinely upset but afraid to speak out lest they suffer the same fate as you. Yes, people know I am a good player who is not just pulling shit out of my ass. And if they read the story about Sharlo, it will make even more sense to them. The Sharlo thing and the Karma removal thing both happened in 07, when Nyr and Vanth were like peas and carrots. I would like to explain the karma removal, too, because I think you all will agree with me that it was really fucked up. That's a long story, though, that I don't feel like typing right now. |
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Post by jcarter on Dec 14, 2014 23:24:00 GMT -5
i dont get what people expect when they publicly attack staff. they have everything against you and the right to defend themselves, just as much as you do. (none of the above is questioning what you posted, just playing devil's advocate with your tactics and expectations.) edit: see the dox-drop by vanth against bebop several years ago for an example of this i'm not aware of that situation but i don't think staff should be doxxing people that they have internet disagreements with. crazy, i know. |
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Post by sirra on Dec 14, 2014 23:50:06 GMT -5
There was a little bit of backlash on the RAT thread after you received that abuse from staff, Kronibas. Wherever there's a whiff of faint, vague disapproval, you know it means people are genuinely upset but afraid to speak out lest they suffer the same fate as you. Yes, people know I am a good player who is not just pulling shit out of my ass. And if they read the story about Sharlo, it will make even more sense to them. The Sharlo thing and the Karma removal thing both happened in 07, when Nyr and Vanth were like peas and carrots. I would like to explain the karma removal, too, because I think you all will agree with me that it was really fucked up. That's a long story, though, that I don't feel like typing right now. You're an Old Guard who is not beholden to the current administration, and ultimately, that's who threatens Nyr the most. People who have been around long enough to remember what a slimy little charlatan he is and who can't be either easily intimidated or bribed. If it makes you feel any better, Stalin did the same thing to the old Bolsheviks who had risen with Lenin while Stalin was still giving handjobs in some Georgian shithole. But again. Most people on this forum seem to think that Nyr is the source of all evil. That's a very simplistic view of events. It's actually Adhira and Ness who facilitate him, and they do it knowing and probably even agreeing with most of his detractors. I've reiterated this a few times, but if people are ever going to realize what actually went wrong with Armageddon, they should realize that salient fact. Nyr is in many ways, simply a smoke screen. Albeit, he is a vile, unethical little creature in his own right. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 0:30:51 GMT -5
"Purge" was the first word that entered my mind when Nyr was made producer, and he is holding true to that, like banning me from the GDB for two weeks after totally trying to deconstruct me as a person and player in a very public way.
If you're going to do that, have the balls to let me say my piece back publicly. I shouldn't have to come here just to defend myself.
Really, he should have kept his mouth shut if he wasn't willing to let me tell my side.
At any rate, I'm glad this board is here because when I started telling my girlfriend about it, well, she had no idea what the fuck I was talking about, so it is good to have a place to give a bit of my side of the deal and also fume - I rarely ever speak to any other arm players outside forums at all, period, and such has been the case for years.
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