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Post by topkekm8s on Dec 14, 2014 12:40:36 GMT -5
i love watching their little eyes light up its so cute
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Post by nyrsucks on Dec 14, 2014 12:58:07 GMT -5
Really he had no choice but to ban you. You're too eloquent at presenting your arguments.
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Post by Jeshin on Dec 14, 2014 13:04:32 GMT -5
While Nyr is indeed a large contributing factor ARM does have more significant problems than one or two bad staffers. It has a cultural problem in management.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 13:19:06 GMT -5
While Nyr is indeed a large contributing factor ARM does have more significant problems than one or two bad staffers. It has a cultural problem in management. Well, you are definitely right. What makes it worse is when he stacks the staff deck with people who are beholden to him, like players from clans he has shown enormous favoritism to... looking at you, 1st gen ED. When you have a poor leader who recruits those most likely to back him up, you have a problem. I do not mean to say that this is universal in new staff hires. Merit definitely SHOULD come into play. But out of three people possessing merit, he would choose the one most likely to agree with him. |
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Post by sirra on Dec 14, 2014 13:55:06 GMT -5
While Nyr is indeed a large contributing factor ARM does have more significant problems than one or two bad staffers. It has a cultural problem in management. The cultural problem is what let fuckholes like Nyr, and apathetic fuckholes like Adhira take charge of it. And the cultural problem is simply 'In a successful, long term game, the normal, competent staff eventually move on with their lives, and the obsessed, incompetent fuckholes rise to take charge via attrition and barnacle-like persistence'. And of COURSE, once one or two of those kind of idiots take charge, they'll do exactly as Kronibas just posted...stack the deck with those who are so shallow of personality, and such mental midgets, that they'll happily suck Nyr off and stroke his ego to get something as pathetic as an extra point of karma. These people aren't joining staff because they want to tell stories or make it a better game. The majority of them are joining staff because they want to add to their own enjoyment of playing the game.It becomes a racket, with a small circle of players monopolizing the best roles while doing double-duty as mostly absentee staff...And they have the gall to act superior, or claim that there is any kind of competency behind the scenes. The game has basically been hijacked at this point. It's the kind of situation that can only survive for as long as it has in a culture where 'transparency' is a dirty word. If people could post as freely on the GDB, as they could on this forum, Armageddon- be in a vastly more healthy and successful place. The only kind of comments that should be moderated in a public forum is spam and the willful sabotaging of another player by spreading IC info about current events 'so-and-so has RINGZ that he used to kill me with last night'. That's how the GDB began, before it even was the GDB in its current incarnation. Then they spread it to game mechanics, and from the secrecy about game mechanics, it spread to staff practices in general. tl;dr: fuck those guys. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 14:02:44 GMT -5
I met Adhira IRL and she was pleasant.
I haven't had any major negative dealings with Adhira, personally.. I can't recall many positive/negative dealings of note, but I naturally assume she doesn't care for me as a player, now.
Nyr and Vanth are I think two absolutely terrible staff members, but I would be reluctant to put any other staff members in their level of douchiness.
There is a lot of talk of Bhag in this forum, and I have met him IRL too. He was kinda a dick and forced me and mansa to go on the streets of Atlanta at night and bribe a bum to buy us booze... we were 16 or 17.
But, Bhag was actually really cool in a lot of ways. I could count a number of of crimes here, but OOCly, he was not nearly as rude or uncouth to players as Nyr is. I would rather have a cool, creative guy with neat ideas that is a little corrupt over a short-tempered, square, anal retentive control freak any day of the week.
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Post by sirra on Dec 14, 2014 14:03:40 GMT -5
I met Adhira IRL and she was pleasant. I haven't had any major negative dealings with Adhira, personally.. I can't recall many positive/negative dealings of note, but I naturally assume she doesn't care for me as a player, now. Nyr and Vanth are I think two absolutely terrible staff members, but I would be reluctant to put any other staff members in their level of douchiness. There is a lot of talk of Bhag in this forum, and I have met him IRL too. He was kinda a dick and forced me and mansa to go on the streets of Atlanta at night and bribe a bum to buy us booze... we were 16 or 17. But, Bhag was actually really cool in a lot of ways. I could count a number of of crimes here, but OOCly, he was not nearly as rude or uncouth to players as Nyr is. I would rather have a cool idea with neat ideas that is a little corrupt over a short-tempered, square, anal retentive control freak any day of the week. I'm sure she's very pleasant. She is the living embodiment of a damp, warm rag, without an ounce of inspiration, initiative or good sense. She's completely limp, and basically anyone's puppet who'll pay attention to her. Nyr dominates her in every way, for one. Adhira has many bureaucratic qualities, without having any actual bureaucratic gifts. She probably did at one time, but for like five years, she's basically been doing and contributing as little as possible. I'm pretty sure she's only still involved in the game and the staff, because they're her primary social circle. When the main reason you cling to a game and to a role, is that its your primary avenue of social acceptance, and not because you actually want to do your job, then something is wrong. Staff are supposedly there to make the game a better place for all of us. Not just make it better for themselves and soak up adulation. Too many people give Adhira a pass because she's 'pleasant' IRL. But fuck Adhira, she's as much a problem as Nyr in her own way. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 14:08:51 GMT -5
They need to get better at alienating those they don't agree with. At this rate the game will still be around when they no longer have the time or energy to accomplish their goals.
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Post by firekank on Dec 14, 2014 14:51:54 GMT -5
I have been reading this forum for a while, and though I disagree with some of the info posted, I have been genuinely shocked and disgusted by stories relayed by some players here. There needs to be an outside source of accountability. It is not fair to be dressed down in public and banned on the GDB to prevent defending oneself, but if that were the worst of Nyr's transgressions against those who have the AUDACITY to disagree with him, we as a game would all be in good shape. really dude? first off, you started the dressing down in public. and you posted on ASK THE STAFF of all places. you invited a response when you post stuff on the gdb that is critical of staff you put them in a tough spot, PR wise. they could delete your post, but then theyd be accused of censorship. they could ignore it but then theyd be accused of ignoring player input. so they responded because you didnt give them a choice but to respond. i dont get what people expect when they publicly attack staff. they have everything against you and the right to defend themselves, just as much as you do. (none of the above is questioning what you posted, just playing devil's advocate with your tactics and expectations.) edit: see the dox-drop by vanth against bebop several years ago for an example of this |
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Post by Patuk on Dec 14, 2014 15:01:37 GMT -5
See my post in the gems from the gdb thread in the log dump subforum for my thoughts on the matter.
Also, I believe staff is to be held to a higher standard than players are, not lower. If Kronibas' airing of dirty laundry is grounds for punishment, so is staff's.
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Post by firekank on Dec 14, 2014 15:02:56 GMT -5
ok, then punish them by not playing anymore. vote with your feet or just keep waiting for nyr to voluntarily resign (lol)
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Post by Patuk on Dec 14, 2014 15:04:50 GMT -5
These things do not affect staff at all. They do affect me. No, thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 15:08:16 GMT -5
I stored the character I had made in Tuluk per the GDB persuading to do so, stored him, and do not plan on playing again until something is figured out about the hierarchy of the MUD. An over involved dude with anger issues and a known penchant for tampering should not be the front man or anything of significant authority (in relation to player liaison stuff especially).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 15:30:02 GMT -5
I have been reading this forum for a while, and though I disagree with some of the info posted, I have been genuinely shocked and disgusted by stories relayed by some players here. There needs to be an outside source of accountability. It is not fair to be dressed down in public and banned on the GDB to prevent defending oneself, but if that were the worst of Nyr's transgressions against those who have the AUDACITY to disagree with him, we as a game would all be in good shape. really dude? first off, you started the dressing down in public. and you posted on ASK THE STAFF of all places. you invited a response when you post stuff on the gdb that is critical of staff you put them in a tough spot, PR wise. they could delete your post, but then theyd be accused of censorship. they could ignore it but then theyd be accused of ignoring player input. so they responded because you didnt give them a choice but to respond. i dont get what people expect when they publicly attack staff. they have everything against you and the right to defend themselves, just as much as you do. (none of the above is questioning what you posted, just playing devil's advocate with your tactics and expectations.) edit: see the dox-drop by vanth against bebop several years ago for an example of this I appreciated the fact that they responded, but not allowing me to respond by saying that I "flamed" is just one sided. So, that's why I'm posting here. I'm not surprised that they responded the way they did, though was a little at the seething uncontained rage. I honestly felt bad for making Nessalin that pissed, but I don't think he has a full grasp of the situation. As far as tactics go, I wasn't really meaning for it to be that long of a post or contain some of the aspects that were part of the final product. It was kinds stream of conscious and turned into more than what I meant for it to. I mean, I actually wasn't meaning for it to be an attack. It was an honest inquiry but I suppose my resent showed through way more than I meant for it to, which is just indicative of my weakness as a human maybe, or something. I did not make that post on AtS with the intent of "attacking" them... I did not mean it maliciously in the slightest. I have had a legitimate concern that Nyr would do something to take away my karma ever since he made Producer, and by asking the question I hoped to expose the fact that it was up to him, regardless of amazing imms from a different era and a different Armageddon issued karma. He can't understand the context of the game when I received karma from Krrx because he wasn't there. He can't understand why Karianna would give me karma for doing a create job at the VERY onset of the Rebellion, which my character could have literally led after he married a Lirarthan - but I was in high school, had a job, and played football, so it didn't pan out, though he did live under the ivory pyramid. It seems really disrespectful to the history of the game to discard the vouchings of long departed imms, just because he doesn't agree that some of them should have karma. Meaning, they shouldn't have karma because he doesn't like them, prompting him to design his own karma system, an arguably equally subjective one, to enforce "reports" to the staff. I don't like Nyr. I don't want to have to email him shit or share writings with the staff. I recently felt compelled to write a bio because a single staff member did something cool, but mostly, I have only received negative communication from the staff for years, despite being a pretty chill player. I really empathize with a lot of the stories I see here. I can't say I hate the staff in the end, but I hate some actions occurring in contemporary Arm times, such as the forced storage of non special append crafters who spend too long in a merchant house. M Yes, if you start a regular character and join a merchant house as a crafter, you are liable to being force stored if you exist for "too long" of a time. I heard of one incident of this and really couldn't even believe it at first. |
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Post by nyrsucks on Dec 14, 2014 17:27:27 GMT -5
What is their reasoning for storing crafters?
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