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Apr 25, 2015 19:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 19:45:04 GMT -5
Okay so a staffer was targeting people... So? That doesn't lend any credence to the idea that staff was purposefully killing specific people who were on the shadow board. And it doesn't mean that they were specifically targeting weak people instead of strong people.
Like I said before, if they don't target people, the Mek just gets killed like any other NPC: easily. Where's the challenge, the fear, the sense of impending death? How is it any fun to just be killing yet another Mekillot with 1 giant taking hits while the rest fuck it up? You've got two options. Let the bestie do its thing via code. Or animate the beastie while targeting random people. I don't really see how you think the first option is the better one. That would be boring as fuck.
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Apr 25, 2015 19:52:58 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 19:52:58 GMT -5
Unlike Kronibas or Delerak. I believe the staff was clearing the cards for the Byn clan but not targeting shadowboard people (which only Kronibas has come out supporting I believe). I don't care if the staff were controlling the NPCs to make them more deadly but if they were it does certainly lend credibility to the presumption that the RPT was meant to be a culling (as Delerak proposes based on staff targeting non-giants and non-senior players who could have tanked a mek)
But more to the point RGS. Do you believe that the staff should run RPTs that are meant to kill off portions of a clan? If so than there is absolutely nothing fishy about this RPT to you. It was an RPT, it was run, the staff made it hardmode by controlling the NPCs, and bob's your uncle. However if it isn't okay for staff to run RPTs with the intent of killing of portions of a clan than you should probably be more concerned that the staff controlled the mek to target the specific PCs that it did.
EDIT - TLDR - Either people have a problem with staff killing portions of a clan in order to redistribute players or they don't. If you have a problem with it than this is fishy. If you don't have a problem with it than nothing bad happened here. There's no point debating it one way or the other.
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Apr 25, 2015 20:01:27 GMT -5
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Post by jkarr on Apr 25, 2015 20:01:27 GMT -5
Quick clarification from Delerak. Are you referring to multi-combatants when 1 dies or flees, the next person to land a hit will be the one you are fighting? Thus in the log it demonstrates that the NPC is selecting its next victim instead of being triggered by being hit? Precisely. If the mekillot is fighting 10 guys and gets attacked and tries to attack someone they will get the message 'You're already in combat.' or some such. k but the only prob with this is that the mek never attacked someone else before its main target fled or died. it was always after they fled/died and before the next attack round came thru. basicly u may not be considered codedly fighting between fled/dead and the next hit from ur attackers so the aggro code could still kick in |
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Apr 25, 2015 20:03:28 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 20:03:28 GMT -5
Unlike Kronibas or Delerak. I believe the staff was clearing the cards for the Byn clan but not targeting shadowboard people (which only Kronibas has come out supporting I believe). I don't care if the staff were controlling the NPCs to make them more deadly but if they were it does certainly lend credibility to the presumption that the RPT was meant to be a culling (as Delerak proposes based on staff targeting non-giants and non-senior players who could have tanked a mek) But more to the point RGS. Do you believe that the staff should run RPTs that are meant to kill off portions of a clan? If so than there is absolutely nothing fishy about this RPT to you. It was an RPT, it was run, the staff made it hardmode by controlling the NPCs, and bob's your uncle. However if it isn't okay for staff to run RPTs with the intent of killing of portions of a clan than you should probably be more concerned that the staff controlled the mek to target the specific PCs that it did. EDIT - TLDR - Either people have a problem with staff killing portions of a clan in order to redistribute players or they don't. If you have a problem with it than this is fishy. If you don't have a problem with it than nothing bad happened here. There's no point debating it one way or the other. You're assuming they did it with the intention of killing off portions of the clan. What if it's just that they knew that death of portions of the clan was likely, but that wasn't the intention of them running that RPT? Like, they expected it'd happen. It was a reasonable expected by-product of the intention of the RPT - which was to run an RPT. What then? What happens if your assumption is wrong? Then what difference would it make how anyone feels about your question? |
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Apr 25, 2015 20:05:47 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 20:05:47 GMT -5
If the staff didn't run it with the intent of killing off a big portion of the clan than they didn't do anything wrong except possibly overestimating the difficulty of the encounter. But as I (as someone who was not there and only has 2nd hand information) am assuming they did it with the intent and hope it would kill off a significant portion of the clan.
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Apr 25, 2015 20:10:19 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 20:10:19 GMT -5
Also little addition. I am saying whether they did it with intent or not that if you believe the staff can and should cull clans for "the good of the playerbase" than the discussion is moot to you. It doesn't matter (to you) whether the RPT was normal, intentional, or a sekrit kill squad meant to off shadowboard users. But if you don't believe the staff can and should cull clans for "the good of the playerbase" than this RPT is worth looking at and making your own personal assessment.
Lord knows there's enough opinions on it posted over 24 pages that each person can make up their own minds.
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Apr 25, 2015 20:11:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 20:11:59 GMT -5
The problem is you're assuming that was the intent based on nothing. Just because people died doesn't mean the staff intended for that many people to die, they're just trying to realistically represent the danger involved in disposing of raiders who had magick and psionics on their side. Most of the deaths had nothing to do with the Mekillot, it had to do with the PC's splitting up and being caught off guard... All it would have taken was one scout to sneak in and see there was a hole filled with scorpions, then everyone could have grouped up and taken on the task with much, much better odds.
I think RPT's that should be dangerous ICly should be dangerous and deadly to your PC. That's all there is to it. If a portion of a clan dies in an RPT I think that's more exciting and fun than if nobody died. That's part of why I liked this RPT so much, because people died. I saw things I hadn't seen before, I was surprised and confused and I got to really get into my character because of that.
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Apr 25, 2015 20:15:39 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 20:15:39 GMT -5
I'm assuming that was the intent based on several factors. 1) Former staff have said that it is not uncommon for staff to do this including Bitter's who is an unannounced former staffer and Anaiah who fully outed herself. 2) The log itself. 3) Ancedotal complaints and references to the event. 4) It makes sense with the staff positions I have seen in the past.
Like I said there are 24 pages almost completely dedicated to their one thing (partially due to Kronibas harping on it) but there's more than nothing. Now if you don't think it was fishy, fine, that's okay. But if you think that even if the staff did want to wipe out the Byn because of dispersing players, than why are you even arguing? Just say, I believe the staff have the right and should kill off clans as they see fit for the betterment of the game. I won't think less of you for it, but it's worth knowing what your position is.
EDIT - Also if you don't have a problem with my position which is a bit more reserved than some other peoples than good! I'm trying to be reasonable over here. I don't agree with Kronibas and as for Delerak I was only commenting on the specific aspect he brought up. I didn't go through the log and figure out if the mek was targeting the weakest person, just helping explain the thing he brought up so others could understand it.
EDIT 2- Now I go off to poker, don't burn the place down without me.
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Apr 25, 2015 20:18:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 20:18:35 GMT -5
Okay and here's why I don't think this was the case:
1) Armageddons overturn if fucking ridiculous.(and of the clans Byn overturn is probably the highest) I almost find it laughable that you think staff would need to kill off large portions of a clan. Give it a couple weeks and 50% of your clan will be dead.
2) A lot of the people who died were newly recruited. Staff wouldn't be letting the Byn recruit more if they were planning on killing them off because there were too many people. That wouldn't make any sense.
3) Staff actively trying not to kill people during the event.
4) The event took a couple months of build-up and planning. All time in which the Byn's numbers were going up and down and no caps were put on recruiting.
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Apr 25, 2015 20:34:21 GMT -5
Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 20:34:21 GMT -5
Okay and here's why I don't think this was the case: 1) Armageddons overturn if fucking ridiculous.(and of the clans Byn overturn is probably the highest) I almost find it laughable that you think staff would need to kill off large portions of a clan. Give it a couple weeks and 50% of your clan will be dead. 2) A lot of the people who died were newly recruited. Staff wouldn't be letting the Byn recruit more if they were planning on killing them off because there were too many people. That wouldn't make any sense. 3) Staff actively trying not to kill people during the event. 4) The event took a couple months of build-up and planning. All time in which the Byn's numbers were going up and down and no caps were put on recruiting. Yeah, as I read this thread, this is constantly what I was thinking as well.. Why would they need to wipe a huge part of the Byn when, on a weekly basis, I hear about Sergeant deaths and Byn wipes or near wipes? |
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Apr 25, 2015 20:37:07 GMT -5
Post by gloryhound on Apr 25, 2015 20:37:07 GMT -5
Hrm. So, if a staff member was directing the mekillot's attacks after people fled, then yes it seemed to pick on the weakest Byn.
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Apr 25, 2015 20:50:12 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 20:50:12 GMT -5
I think it depends. I don't think it's cut and dried. Are the leaders new to the game and promoted by default? Are they leading a whole lot of other new players? Are the clans behaving as a whole, in a self-destructive manner that would likely get them killed but they've been playing it OOCly safe instead of rolling with the punches? If that's true, have they ignored repeated IC hints that they're leading themselves to destruction if they continue their present act? Are there so many of them that there's not many people to do contracts for since they're already all working for them (or make GMH items for since the players of the would-be customers are already playing in that GMH, or insert similar here)?
On the other hand if everyone's having fun and running their own plotlines and people in other clans seem to be productive and having fun with the game then no I wouldn't like to see the staff intentionally culling the herd of any given clan. So it really depends. I wouldn't just go in and PK or create uber mobs to PK, but I might lead up to it over time.
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Apr 25, 2015 21:51:34 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 21:51:34 GMT -5
Hrm. So, if a staff member was directing the mekillot's attacks after people fled, then yes it seemed to pick on the weakest Byn. Or it was random, and bad luck? Not to mention a lot couple of the people attacked were NOT weak. |
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Apr 25, 2015 22:31:18 GMT -5
Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 22:31:18 GMT -5
I think killing everyone you suspect of being the asshole that dared post the pickpocket skill list on this forum, via NPCs and a RPT to make it look like a legit death, is totally acceptable.
Fuck that pickpocket skills list traitor guy.
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Post by sirra on Apr 25, 2015 23:06:08 GMT -5
It doesn't matter whether they deliberately targeted anyone. They killed those players when they introduced a threat designed to give the biggest and baddest elite of the group a hard time. That ensured anyone that wasn't ancient or twinked out, had a good chance of getting splatted.
This happens all the time.
It doesn't have to get any deeper or more nuanced than that. It's not entirely avoidable, but it can get excessive and staff even admitted it was excessive in that particular instance.
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