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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 16:27:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 16:27:58 GMT -5
People are not going to out themselves like that, Malken, and I think it's sorta disrespectful to the board to even press them to.
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 16:28:47 GMT -5
Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 25, 2015 16:28:47 GMT -5
Yes, there are a lot of ways, including the content of posts, parallels in login times when not many people are on, context clues, or just carelessness on the part of shadowboarders. If I had an inclination that people were posting here while they played alongside me in the Byn, then you can damn well bet that the staff was aware, too. Then I'm sure they'll come forward and speak for themselves. If what you say is true then they have nothing to fear, Nyr apparently already knows who they are and the damages has been done. Otherwise, they still have nothing to fear because that Byn rpt was so long ago that they won't be matched to a certain character. Your argument is based on several false premises: - That the victims are reading this thread
- That they give a damn about this argument
- that they have nothing left to lose (two of them told jcarter via PMs about what happened to them, rather than publicly, to avoid further abuse)
- That they believe you'll believe them instead of endlessly demanding proof while claiming their proof isn't proofy enough.
Personally, I don't believe the Byn was targeted because of board members being in it. Having staffed while staff tried to destroy a clan's membership so players would be more distributed, I see this as just another example of the staff trying to make breakfast using a hammer and a blowtorch.
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 16:31:13 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 16:31:13 GMT -5
And asking me to out them is kinda like asking me to be a snitch, and Armageddon has way too many of those already.
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malkeninthemiddle
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Apr 25, 2015 16:34:45 GMT -5
Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 16:34:45 GMT -5
Then I'm sure they'll come forward and speak for themselves. If what you say is true then they have nothing to fear, Nyr apparently already knows who they are and the damages has been done. Otherwise, they still have nothing to fear because that Byn rpt was so long ago that they won't be matched to a certain character. Your argument is based on several false premises: - That the victims are reading this thread
- That they give a damn about this argument
- that they have nothing left to lose (two of them told jcarter via PMs about what happened to them, rather than publicly, to avoid further abuse)
- That they believe you'll believe them instead of endlessly demanding proof while claiming their proof isn't proofy enough.
Personally, I don't believe the Byn was targeted because of board members being in it. Having staffed while staff tried to destroy a clan's membership so players would be more distributed, I see this as just another example of the staff trying to make breakfast using a hammer and a blowtorch. My argument being based on several false premises are also based on false premises to begin with, so I won't argue with the weakness of it all. The victims might not be reading this thread, OR they don't (and I know I wouldn't if it wasn't the fact that I'm desperately trying to find any excuses to keep me from doing work I should be doing) give a damn at all, you're right, but I'm just hoping for one of them. One of them that isn't kronibas would be a grand start. At this point I think that just one person saying they been screwed over by Nyr in the Byn rpt would be proofy enough for me, considering that I'm pretty sure the burden of proof has been tossed over the bridge long ago in this thread, or the forum in general. At this point it's mostly us constantly reacting to kronibas' conspiracy topic of the day more than anything. It's quite entertaining, though, I'll admit it, but whatever reputation this board has/had, I'm sure it has suffered for it.
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 16:38:17 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 16:38:17 GMT -5
On ArmageddonMUD, there have been some conspiracy theories that were actually conspiracies, and there are also instances of stupid shit happening that actually turned out to be exceptionally stupid shit... And the game changed as a result of it.
The game will change as a result of this board, too, in ways that no one on either side should be smug or self-assured about.
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 16:39:33 GMT -5
Post by sirra on Apr 25, 2015 16:39:33 GMT -5
Nothing has suffered for anything. The people here had their own experiences, which aren't really affected by anyone else's, beyond some sense of commiseration or fellow amusement.
If it were any other way, this shadowboard wouldn't exist.
Although, I actually think this board exists more because of the freedom and relaxation of an un-moderated Armageddon-relevant discussion, than anything else.
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 16:40:49 GMT -5
Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 25, 2015 16:40:49 GMT -5
My argument being based on several false premises are also based on false premises to begin with, so I won't argue with the weakness of it all. Touché. At this point I think that just one person saying they been screwed over by Nyr in the Byn rpt would be proofy enough for me, considering that I'm pretty sure the burden of proof has been tossed over the bridge long ago in this thread, or the forum in general. At this point it's mostly us constantly reacting to kronibas' conspiracy topic of the day more than anything. It's quite entertaining, though, I'll admit it, but whatever reputation this board has/had, I'm sure it has suffered for it. I don't think the majority of the people in this thread are blaming the Byn RPT on board membership. Regarding the burden of proof, we had a thread a while back where @anaiah and I actually did data analysis on the published player numbers. We came to different conclusions, but neither conclusion was positive for Arm. A few GDB shills showed up and endlessly complained our proof wasn't proof enough, then made a bunch of unproven contrary interpretations of how Arm is doing. Then every time they got called out for not posting proof they complained about our proof or pretended we hadn't produced any. As a direct result, you're probably going to get resistance from anyone you demand proof from while you're defending the staff or playing Devil's advocate for them. You can thank the intellectual dishonesty of a few vocal, shit-brained contrarians for that.
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 16:43:03 GMT -5
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Post by lyse on Apr 25, 2015 16:43:03 GMT -5
Even if it were a staffer animating that Mek, from looking at the log. It one shotted the first two dudes, then it hit everybody else one time before moving to the next PC and Albie fucked it up. I'm not seeing that as a conspiracy I see the first dudes having low endurance and got one shotted.
Now keep in mind when you read a log it's slow paced. But in game that shit pops up there in horrible spam and when you sift through it somebody's dead. I think if you've played long enough this has happened to everybody. The first time it happened to me I cried, because I didn't have a chance to do anything.
The other parts seem more excessive than the Mek to me, but again with the super mul, whoever was animating him pulled back too. Yeah it was fucked up, but large scale combat is always fucked up because the code shits itself.
I said this before in this thread and got flamed, but they really shouldn't run these plots with all these pcs because it's no longer rp it's putting the plot on "auto resolve" and somebody is always unhappy with the result. Conspiracy no, shitty code and gm'ing yes.
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malkeninthemiddle
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Apr 25, 2015 16:53:05 GMT -5
Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 16:53:05 GMT -5
I don't think the majority of the people in this thread are blaming the Byn RPT on board membership. Regarding the burden of proof, we had a thread a while back where @anaiah and I actually did data analysis on the published player numbers. We came to different conclusions, but neither conclusion was positive for Arm. A few GDB shills showed up and endlessly complained our proof wasn't proof enough, then made a bunch of unproven contrary interpretations of how Arm is doing. Then every time they got called out for not posting proof they complained about our proof or pretended we hadn't produced any. As a direct result, you're probably going to get resistance from anyone you demand proof from while you're defending the staff or playing Devil's advocate for them. You can thank the intellectual dishonesty of a few vocal, shit-brained contrarians for that. I have absolutely nothing against people posting their complaints against Staff, actually, it was the main reasons why I've made an account here to begin with. What I have something against, though, are people (mostly kronibas, to be honest, the rest of you are often legit) that are posting conspiracy theories without any logs or proofs or whatever to back their accusations ("a shadow poster told me so" isn't proof). It's not in my nature to let that kind of bullshit slide so I'm asking for at least a tidbit of proof, a minimal is nice. If you've noticed, when people make a good point or prove me wrong, I'm more than happy to admit it. I try to be the guy that doesn't take side here, if Staff is doing something wrong, I'll gladly speak against it, but lately it only has been kronibas' conspiracies and nothing else and this is why it looks like I'm so pro-Staff.
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Apr 25, 2015 16:56:13 GMT -5
Post by delerak on Apr 25, 2015 16:56:13 GMT -5
I'll find a log of people fighting and show you why I suppose.
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Apr 25, 2015 16:57:31 GMT -5
Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 16:57:31 GMT -5
Nothing has suffered for anything. The people here had their own experiences, which aren't really affected by anyone else's, beyond some sense of commiseration or fellow amusement. If it were any other way, this shadowboard wouldn't exist. Although, I actually think this board exists more because of the freedom and relaxation of an un-moderated Armageddon-relevant discussion, than anything else. Yeah, by "suffering" for it I mostly meant that a large portion of the readers read it for the big farce that it is and has been turned into lately. It's amusing as fuck to read some of the posts and participate in them, but come on, it's also ridiculous and relaxing and I keep thinking that Armageddon's Staff don't give a flying fuck about its (and ours) existence.
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Apr 25, 2015 16:57:56 GMT -5
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 16:57:56 GMT -5
Quick clarification from Delerak. Are you referring to multi-combatants when 1 dies or flees, the next person to land a hit will be the one you are fighting? Thus in the log it demonstrates that the NPC is selecting its next victim instead of being triggered by being hit?
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 17:01:40 GMT -5
Post by delerak on Apr 25, 2015 17:01:40 GMT -5
Quick clarification from Delerak. Are you referring to multi-combatants when 1 dies or flees, the next person to land a hit will be the one you are fighting? Thus in the log it demonstrates that the NPC is selecting its next victim instead of being triggered by being hit? Precisely. If the mekillot is fighting 10 guys and gets attacked and tries to attack someone they will get the message 'You're already in combat.' or some such.
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Apr 25, 2015 17:04:25 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 17:04:25 GMT -5
Then yes to anyone naysaying Delerak's assumption. Here is the deal and I know this from a lot of 2-5 on 1 fights.
1) NPCs and PCs alike will auto combat a single target until that target flees or dies. 2) The only way to switch target in combat without them fleeing or dying is change combatant name? It's a change syntax look at the helpfile 3) Once your combatant target dies than you will begin fighting the 1st person to successfully hit you. Misses and parries and shieldblocks do not count to my knowledge.
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Apr 25, 2015 17:08:45 GMT -5
Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 17:08:45 GMT -5
Then yes to anyone naysaying Delerak's assumption. Here is the deal and I know this from a lot of 2-5 on 1 fights. 1) NPCs and PCs alike will auto combat a single target until that target flees or dies. 2) The only way to switch target in combat without them fleeing or dying is change combatant name? It's a change syntax look at the helpfile 3) Once your combatant target dies than you will begin fighting the 1st person to successfully hit you. Misses and parries and shieldblocks do not count to my knowledge. Fair enough! (See, I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong). Back to the conspiracy naked pile, guys!
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