Jeshin
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Apr 25, 2015 15:51:15 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 15:51:15 GMT -5
To clarify... Do I believe that the staff could and would target specifically shadowboard players. Maybe? If we did something like had 3-4 of us join the byn or form a rinth gang or something I could see us being targeted. However I do not believe that shadowboard users stating they were killed in an RPT in a clan that we already know the staff had their eyes set on due to splintering attempts, represents any sort of statistical evidence that shadowboard people were targeted.
It's like having 3 white guys, 3 black guys, and 3 asian guys. If 2 white guys live and everyone else dies. You could state that staff were targeting minorities, but that ignore that 7 out of 9 of the entire group is dead. Like sure it's POSSIBLE they were targeting minorities but it's more probable that were just targeting the group as a whole and letting the chips fall where they would.
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Apr 25, 2015 15:54:29 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 15:54:29 GMT -5
Refusing to be be spoken to like a piece of shit =! entitlement.
If you want to go back far enough, I believe that I never should have had my karma removed in the first place by a staff member who made creepy romantic advances on me before I blocked her from AIM. Even Nyr thought it was fucked up and reinstated all of the karma except the top, which is fucking absurd.
As soon as Vanth came at me on one of the Arm FB pages with her weak ass "attack," they should have realized that she just had a vendetta all along and restored the missing point, which I did more to earn than, well, a lot of people do to get on staff.
And no, not everyone is really in on it. Plus, the people that were targeted and killed during the RPT were some of the most active people on the shadow board, and yes, people like Nyr are definitely spiteful enough to target them in an RPT.
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Jeshin
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Apr 25, 2015 16:00:18 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 16:00:18 GMT -5
Once again I am not saying that shadowboard users were not specifically targeted. I'm just saying that it's an improbable scenario even knowing Nyr and I certainly know what it feels like to be targeted by Nyr. Go read my request tool dump of our back and forth and me filing a complaint about him which failed.
Just because it could be true, doesn't mean it is true. For example some people claim that America has a higher per capita of small business starters than any other country in the world. Does being American inherently make you more likely to want to be self employed? Not really, but there are some pretty good case studies that Americans might have a genetically predisposed to risk taking because of who colonized America and what their personalities were like.
Same thing here it is entirely possible that influential shadowboard users are just predisposed to a style of RP and approach to worldbuilding that rubs staff the wrong way and thus they are targeted not because they are from the shadowboard but because they display traits they are not supported by staff. It is just happenstance they also happen to be shadowboard users just like it could be happenstance that American's are inherently more likely to start their own businesses than other nationalities.
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malkeninthemiddle
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Apr 25, 2015 16:01:51 GMT -5
Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 16:01:51 GMT -5
Refusing to be be spoken to like a piece of shit =! entitlement. If you want to go back far enough, I believe that I never should have had my karma removed in the first place by a staff member who made creepy romantic advances on me before I blocked her from AIM. Even Nyr thought it was fucked up and reinstated all of the karma except the top, which is fucking absurd. As soon as Vanth came at me on one of the Arm FB pages with her weak ass "attack," they should have realized that she just had a vendetta all along and restored the missing point, which I did more to earn than, well, a lot of people do to get on staff. And no, not everyone is really in on it. Plus, the people that were targeted and killed during the RPT were some of the most active people on the shadow board, and yes, people like Nyr are definitely spiteful enough to target them in an RPT. Give us names. Tell us who, here on the shadow board, felt like they had been targeted by Nyr because they were active posters on this forum at the time they were in the Byn. I don't want their GDB names, I want their shadow board names so that they can come forward and speak for themselves. |
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Apr 25, 2015 16:02:43 GMT -5
Post by visiblyupsetbyyou on Apr 25, 2015 16:02:43 GMT -5
also tell us weater woman who made advances was hot, pls. important piece of puzzle
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Jeshin
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Apr 25, 2015 16:03:50 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 16:03:50 GMT -5
As someone who people have come to as a way to tell their story. I do not think Kronibas should be required to give up any identifying information shadowboard or otherwise of anyone who has come to him to talk. I certainly wouldn't no matter how much my critics wanted me too.
Counter-request: If you believe as Kronibas does and you want to come out and explain why, go for it, hell make a throwaway account if you need too.
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Apr 25, 2015 16:04:26 GMT -5
Post by reasonable on Apr 25, 2015 16:04:26 GMT -5
Refusing to be be spoken to like a piece of shit =! entitlement. If you want to go back far enough, I believe that I never should have had my karma removed in the first place by a staff member who made creepy romantic advances on me before I blocked her from AIM. Even Nyr thought it was fucked up and reinstated all of the karma except the top, which is fucking absurd. As soon as Vanth came at me on one of the Arm FB pages with her weak ass "attack," they should have realized that she just had a vendetta all along and restored the missing point, which I did more to earn than, well, a lot of people do to get on staff. And no, not everyone is really in on it. Plus, the people that were targeted and killed during the RPT were some of the most active people on the shadow board, and yes, people like Nyr are definitely spiteful enough to target them in an RPT. Let's say that Nyr targeted people. Then the only remaining question is: how would he know who to target unless the host of this forum is Nyr or jcarter gives IP addresses to Armageddon staff? Were you all using your GDB names here, or posting about your characters? (Not that I am accusing jcarter of anything.) |
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malkeninthemiddle
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Apr 25, 2015 16:06:30 GMT -5
Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 16:06:30 GMT -5
As someone who people have come to as a way to tell their story. I do not think Kronibas should be required to give up any identifying information shadowboard or otherwise of anyone who has come to him to talk. I certainly wouldn't no matter how much my critics wanted me too. Counter-request: If you believe as Kronibas does and you want to come out and explain why, go for it, hell make a throwaway account if you need too. I could just make up any kind of bullshit too, then. I heard that kronibas was banned not because of what he's telling us but because he threatened to post personal information about a few Staff members (like phone numbers and addresses) that he gathered over the years by going to different Armageddon gatherings. I've got some good sources from this board that told me so. I don't think it's cool to start threatening people to reveal their personal identification only because you're pissed at some decisions they've made in a game. If a few people from the shadow board hadn't come forward and warned me about kronibas and why he really did get banned, I probably would have felt to his stories as well. |
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Jeshin
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Apr 25, 2015 16:08:19 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 16:08:19 GMT -5
You could do that. You might do that. He might be doing that. But as I don't see anyone coming out in strong agreement of his shadowboard users were specifically targeted theory I don't think he's getting any traction. Just like if you started proposing a theory and claiming 'others' had said so you wouldn't get any traction either.
EDIT - Just because there's a potential for abuse doesn't mean that Kronibas or anyone else should feel pressured to out people who came to him with the presumption that they wouldn't be referenced or outed.
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Apr 25, 2015 16:10:13 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 16:10:13 GMT -5
There are lots of ways that they could have figured out who was who. As someone who has had audio/video surveillance worn against them by police, I am acutely aware of how easy it is to get caught doing something when the people hunting you really want to find something out.
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Apr 25, 2015 16:14:31 GMT -5
Post by reasonable on Apr 25, 2015 16:14:31 GMT -5
No, there aren't lots of ways, barring the blatantly illegal. Unless you have concrete evidence, then please just stop. It is putting everything you say or have said in even more doubt.
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Apr 25, 2015 16:18:48 GMT -5
Post by sirra on Apr 25, 2015 16:18:48 GMT -5
Kronibas gets paranoid when he's high.
Does anyone have any other Byn stories? I think this one has been beaten more than poor Pike's half-giant corpse. Man. Playing the #2 half-giant to Albie must have been like what Ozzie Canseco felt like.
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Apr 25, 2015 16:19:23 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 16:19:23 GMT -5
Yes, there are a lot of ways, including the content of posts, parallels in login times when not many people are on, context clues, or just carelessness on the part of shadowboarders. If I had an inclination that people were posting here while they played alongside me in the Byn, then you can damn well bet that the staff was aware, too.
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malkeninthemiddle
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Apr 25, 2015 16:23:04 GMT -5
Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 16:23:04 GMT -5
Yes, there are a lot of ways, including the content of posts, parallels in login times when not many people are on, context clues, or just carelessness on the part of shadowboarders. If I had an inclination that people were posting here while they played alongside me in the Byn, then you can damn well bet that the staff was aware, too. Then I'm sure they'll come forward and speak for themselves. If what you say is true then they have nothing to fear, Nyr apparently already knows who they are and the damages has been done. Otherwise, they still have nothing to fear because that Byn rpt was so long ago that they won't be matched to a certain character. So.. Who here feels like they were targeted by Nyr during that RPT because they were posting on the shadow board at the time? I don't want to know who you play or if you even still play anymore, I just want to know why you feel that you were personally targeted by Nyr during that rpt and how you think you were targeted. |
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Apr 25, 2015 16:27:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 16:27:07 GMT -5
Kronibas gets paranoid when he's high. Does anyone have any other Byn stories? I think this one has been beaten more than poor Pike's half-giant corpse. Man. Playing the #2 half-giant to Albie must have been like what Ozzie Canseco felt like. I probably do get more paranoid than I should, but that has more to do with playing Arm for five years knowing that clowns on the staff hold grudges against me as well as things like having wires worn against you. Living for two years straight on a farm in the middle of nowhere as a grow operator - half of that in a time before the feds said they would leave medical growers alone as helicopters flew over my place on the regular - did not help, either. i know you were halfway joking, but the way staff have done things and acted towards people make me mistrustful/paranoid of them, too. Maybe I have been wrong about some things, but considering the hostile climate and what has happened, people should hesitate before blaming me too much for not trusting the good nature of a few current staff members. If it were up to me, I would set their karma to whatever Vanth set mine at that time, or probably lower. |
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