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Apr 25, 2015 4:58:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 4:58:58 GMT -5
ur rong, evry gortok atakz with th gortok atakz u
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Apr 25, 2015 5:23:43 GMT -5
Post by grumble on Apr 25, 2015 5:23:43 GMT -5
.. beeing on teh bad end uv a wipe scenario, u fellows got teh horns, and still u bitch. ive bene wiped with no reson.
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Apr 25, 2015 6:38:18 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 6:38:18 GMT -5
okay, considering how many players were posting on the shadow boards at the same time the Byn murder massacre happened, well, things are starting to make sense now. Obviously they indentified several you and targeted you during the course of this RPT. Or am I reaching here? So I'm going to assume that everyone who was posting here at the time they were in the Byn were also posting under their GDB name, on this forum, AND that their GDB name was also their Byn forum name? Or maybe Staff managed to identify everyone that posted here and connected them to who they were playing in the Byn at the time? Or Jcarter sold all of your IP addresses for his 8th karma and he's working for Staff undercover. Can you see how ridiculous it is that you're saying that Staff managed to connect those who were posting here (which 99% of them under different names) were identified to be shadow board forum users and killed them all in some pre-arranged Byn massacre to make it look legit? I have seen some absolutely ridiculous stuff out of the staff in the past five years, like one entire half of the game being run into the ground, despite the fact that a couple er few fan boys clung to it the entire way throughout. I have seen the extremely petty and ridiculous ways that staff have treated players in that time, too, causing this board to form. I do not trust the staff at all, period, and you and rgs look like you're in the Junior Republicans for Nixon club with all your lame ass references to me smoking weed. Seriously, take that shit somewhere else before I start making fun back. It will not be as cute. Do I think Nyr and other staff members, based on their long records of maturity and integrity, would be above singling out people who had a board literally filled with criticisms of what he and others have done to the game in the last five years? hell no.
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Post by sirra on Apr 25, 2015 7:40:12 GMT -5
I wonder why people struggle at times to explain staff motivations. It either falls into a conspiracy scenario at one end of the spectrum, or a completely naive idealism on the other.
But in this particular example. If you have ever played tabletop games...Then the whole pike-mul or ruddy mekillot issue becomes easily understandable. What is the first reaction of any sub-par to slightly above average GM/DM/ST when their group is 'doing too well'? They fuck em up a little (or a lot) by gratuitously raising the stakes and throwing an overwhelming NPC (or ten) at them. The worst GMs feel a misplaced sense of competition with the players. They equate the NPCs being pushovers with themselves being a pushover. Dangerous way of thinking.
But even a decent to middling above average GM will throw a jacked up threat at players who are doing extremely well, just to give them a 'challenge'. It's a very human instinct to try and kick it up a notch. I'd say the majority of times, the staffer/GM is convinced they're doing the players a favor by spicing up their lives.
A great GM realizes that players don't want artificial challenges or arbitrarily powerful enemies. They want a realistic, logical threat. Everyone hates it when the DM has to look at everyone's sheets, and then stat their big baddy to be able to beat the group's best warrior one on one just as a baseline to the rest of its stats.
A great GM lets the players be the best at what they do (they earned it) and comes up with threats that prey on their weaknesses, not seek to negate their strengths! Albie is a good example here. Oh, they have an extremely skilled half-giant? Okay. Let's throw an even more skilled half-giant at them. How lame is that!
In tabletop games, this phenomena rarely leads to group wipes, but leads to the behavior that RGS has mentioned, of having to be merciful or have some other NPC ride to the rescue. (I HATE BEING RESCUED BY NPCS). In Arm, you get a combination of this, but because in Arm life is ridiculously fragile and precious, you get quite a few Mantis Heads before the dust clears. Good on you for statting a NPC that could stand up to Albie...That same NPC just fuck-stomped Albie's Runner friends.
That ruddy mek and pike mul...That's pride (their's) fucking with you.
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malkeninthemiddle
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Apr 25, 2015 10:17:24 GMT -5
Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 10:17:24 GMT -5
So I'm going to assume that everyone who was posting here at the time they were in the Byn were also posting under their GDB name, on this forum, AND that their GDB name was also their Byn forum name? Or maybe Staff managed to identify everyone that posted here and connected them to who they were playing in the Byn at the time? Or Jcarter sold all of your IP addresses for his 8th karma and he's working for Staff undercover. Can you see how ridiculous it is that you're saying that Staff managed to connect those who were posting here (which 99% of them under different names) were identified to be shadow board forum users and killed them all in some pre-arranged Byn massacre to make it look legit? I have seen some absolutely ridiculous stuff out of the staff in the past five years, like one entire half of the game being run into the ground, despite the fact that a couple er few fan boys clung to it the entire way throughout. I have seen the extremely petty and ridiculous ways that staff have treated players in that time, too, causing this board to form. I do not trust the staff at all, period, and you and rgs look like you're in the Junior Republicans for Nixon club with all your lame ass references to me smoking weed. Seriously, take that shit somewhere else before I start making fun back. It will not be as cute. Do I think Nyr and other staff members, based on their long records of maturity and integrity, would be above singling out people who had a board literally filled with criticisms of what he and others have done to the game in the last five years? hell no. I get that you're absolutely convinced that Staff are out to get you and wanted to wipe all of the Bynners that were part of the shadow forum, you already said that, but you haven't answered my question at all, and the question was how do you think it's possible that Staff would know who, on the shadow board, were also part of the Bynners they wanted to wipe out. Can you please tell me how you think they proceeded to connect the shadow board posters with their Byn characters at the time?
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Byn
Apr 25, 2015 10:24:20 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 10:24:20 GMT -5
Well, when I was playing Harar, I noticed discussions, for instance, about how extended subguilds were game breaking. I really think that this was a result of people getting their asses handed to them while sparring Harar, who was a 50 day old merchant with a badass disarm skill, and thinking that maybe it wasn't fair.
Around that time, too, there were also lots of posts here about sparring and combat mechanics - at a time when the Byn was the most populated clan in the game. So, considering how empty the rest of the clans were, I couldn't help but to think that there were several players who were posting on the shadow boards and playing in the Byn.
So, if I was able to put it together, then the staff, many of whom have more technical prowess as well as access to IP addresses, surely could have.
To be sure, there were a number of shadow board players who died in that RPT. Even before this was confirmed to me via private conversations, I wondered if such had been the case.
Do I know for sure that the staff pinned Byn players as shadow board members are targeted them in the RPT? No. But it sure seems that way, especially knowing what I have learned as recently as the past month.
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Apr 25, 2015 10:33:54 GMT -5
Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 10:33:54 GMT -5
Well, when I was playing Harar, I noticed discussions, for instance, about how extended subguilds were game breaking. I really think that this was a result of people getting their asses handed to them while sparring Harar, who was a 50 day old merchant with a badass disarm skill, and thinking that maybe it wasn't fair. Around that time, too, there were also lots of posts here about sparring and combat mechanics - at a time when the Byn was the most populated clan in the game. So, considering how empty the rest of the clans were, I couldn't help but to think that there were several players who were posting on the shadow boards and playing in the Byn. To be sure, there were a number of shadow board players who died in that RPT. Even before this was confirmed to me via private conversations, I wondered if such had been the case. Do I know for sure that the staff pinned Byn players as shadow board members are targeted them in the RPT? No. But it sure seems that way, especially knowing what I have learned as recently as the past month. I think your case would be a lot more convincing if you stuck to facts that you can back and logs like many have done in the past. You're just throwing these wild accusations left and right hoping that something will stick and it makes it real easy to discard your accusations. Can you at the very least admit that it's sorta ridiculous to believe that Staff would start slaughtering PCs on purpose just because they have a "feeling" like they might be Bynners posting on the shadow forum? You know what I really think? I think that you're dying to play again and it sorta gets to you that the game has an average of 65-70+ PCs online every single nights for the past few weeks, and you're also kinda upset that some of us have managed to patch things up with Staff in a civilized way. You know you can't play again and probably never will be able to and it really gets to you and you're tossing all the shit you can get your hand on because that's all you can really do at this point.
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Apr 25, 2015 10:49:02 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 10:49:02 GMT -5
Well, you're wrong on a lot of levels, actually.
There is a difference between wild accusations and educated guesses. When several people on the shadow boards come to you and are like, yes, I was so-and-so during that thing... Then it starts to seem like a VERY strange coincidence that some players died or were, more accurately, targeted.
You're wrong about me knowing or really caring how many people have been logged into the game. Aside from what I read here, I have no connections to the game or any way of knowing anything about it outside of what is discussed here, period.
You're also wrong about me wanting to play under the current conditions. I literally cannot physically bring myself to read the GDB... The very thought of it actually makes me nauseous. Would I like to play Armageddon? Yes, but not as it stands. Trying to play Armageddon at this juncture would not really be fun for me, and no, it does not "kill me" that I am unable to play a game currently under control of an immature, grudge holding jackass like Nyr, who has done a fine job of destroying what he has touched, like Tuluk.
I have no real desire to "patch things up" with people who were incredibly rude and spiteful to me over a long period of time. Going to them in private and trying to make some kind of deal or vomit out a false apology for being sorry for returning rudeness with rudeness is totally off the table. Sorry, but not sorry.
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Apr 25, 2015 11:18:37 GMT -5
Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 11:18:37 GMT -5
Fair enough, you do sound really bitter about it all and I can understand that.
I also don't believe in strange coincidence so I guess you and I won't ever agree on the shadow board + Byn carnage conspiracy.
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Apr 25, 2015 11:26:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 11:26:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I am bitter - because I think it's really weak that just a few people can make the idea of playing Armageddon seem horrible. But you just have to remember that it is not one thing or even a couple or things... It is a trend that started around 2006 and one that has seen an uptick. Repeatedly, I have been treated and written to very rudely, and part of the reason I started posting here is because it came to a head. I decided to not just bite my tongue anymore.
Again, about mid-way through all of that bullshit, I wrote to Nyr offering an apology, and what was the reply? By the end of it, nothing but hostility and the promise that i would never play in ones of his clans again. And when someone hates you enough to say something like that and then becomes a producer, then well, I hope you don't blame me for peacing out shortly after he became producer, especially considering what had been going on in game.
So yeah.
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Apr 25, 2015 11:31:00 GMT -5
Post by sirra on Apr 25, 2015 11:31:00 GMT -5
Well, when I was playing Harar, I noticed discussions, for instance, about how extended subguilds were game breaking. I really think that this was a result of people getting their asses handed to them while sparring Harar, who was a 50 day old merchant with a badass disarm skill, and thinking that maybe it wasn't fair. I bet even at 50 days played, when someone used a weapon that Harar didn't have on his skill list, that he got torn up by any warrior that had been alive long enough to master Parry (and it only takes around 3 days-ish playtime to do that in the Byn.) But when someone used his own weapon against them, he probably gave them a shock. What did his weapon skill eventually get to? Journeyman or advanced?
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Post by gloryhound on Apr 25, 2015 12:44:30 GMT -5
The ignorance of the code astounds me by veterans. To get that message you have to use the kill command.. if the mekillot is being attacked by 15 Bynners it will get the message.. you are already fighting. Animals won't randomly attack people if they are already being attacked. The combat will automatically resume with the next person in line. Sorry Delerak, I don't like contradicting you because you obviously know a lot about the game, but I still don't see it. Here's a condensed version of the log: The rugged, war-torn man parries a ruddy-brown mekillot's attack.
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the rugged, war-torn man's leg, inflicting a grievous wound.
The runed, pymlithe-hued man tries unsuccessfully to dart in front of the rugged, war-torn man.
The rugged, war-torn man parries a ruddy-brown mekillot's attack.
The rugged, war-torn man parries a ruddy-brown mekillot's attack.
The rugged, war-torn man attempts to flee.
A war beetle runs east, carrying the rugged, war-torn man on its back.
A ruddy-brown mekillot attacks the compact, sinewy man.
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the compact, sinewy man's neck, doing horrendous damage.
The compact, sinewy man cries out in pain.
The compact, sinewy man crumples to the ground.
The broad-shouldered human parries a ruddy-brown mekillot's attack.
The broad-shouldered human blocks a ruddy-brown mekillot's attack.
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the broad-shouldered human's leg, doing horrendous damage.
The broad-shouldered human reels from the blow.
The huge, patchy-scaled humanoid rescues the broad-shouldered human.
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the huge, patchy-scaled humanoid's arm, doing horrendous damage.
The huge, patchy-scaled humanoid attempts to flee.
A ruddy-brown mekillot seizes the opening and attacks .
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the huge, patchy-scaled humanoid's body, doing horrendous damage.
The huge, patchy-scaled humanoid reels from the blow.
A war beetle runs west, carrying the huge, patchy-scaled humanoid on its back.
A ruddy-brown mekillot attacks the runed, pymlithe-hued man.
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the runed, pymlithe-hued man's foot, doing horrendous damage.
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the runed, pymlithe-hued man's arm, doing horrendous damage.
The runed, pymlithe-hued man reels from the blow.
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the runed, pymlithe-hued man's body, doing horrendous damage.
The runed, pymlithe-hued man cries out in pain.
The runed, pymlithe-hued man falls off a war beetle and lies still on the ground.
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the golden-eyed, dark-haired woman's leg, doing horrendous damage.
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the golden-eyed, dark-haired woman's leg, inflicting a grievous wound.
The golden-eyed, dark-haired woman attempts to flee.
A glossy, black-scaled inix runs south, carrying the golden-eyed, dark-haired woman on his back.
A ruddy-brown mekillot attacks the marred, mutton-chopped humanoid.
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the marred, mutton-chopped humanoid's leg, doing horrendous damage.
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the marred, mutton-chopped humanoid's body, doing horrendous damage.
The marred, mutton-chopped humanoid reels from the blow.
A ruddy-brown mekillot claws the marred, mutton-chopped humanoid's body, doing horrendous damage.
The marred, mutton-chopped humanoid splatters blood on you.
The marred, mutton-chopped humanoid crumples to the ground.
The beak-nosed, scraggly haired man blocks a ruddy-brown mekillot's attack.
A ruddy-brown mekillot crumples to the ground.
We see a pattern here: the mekillot attacks after each time someone fled. It moves on to the next foe after killing someone, as you said, but if someone flees, that seems to leave it without a foe, so it chooses a new one.
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Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 25, 2015 13:04:53 GMT -5
Yup, the mekillot switches target when the PC attacking it either flees or dies, which is a totally normal code behavior and why I had no idea what Delerak was talking about.
Another debunked conspiracy theory. NEXT.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 25, 2015 15:26:05 GMT -5
Quick note - The shadowboards are no longer 'small' they easily match the traffic of the GDB and I think a lot of GDB posters or former posters have accounts now. So to say, well someone from the shadowboard said they were soandso and all the shadowboard people died is about as statistically relevant as someone saying they were targeting GDBers.
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Apr 25, 2015 15:46:48 GMT -5
Post by reasonable on Apr 25, 2015 15:46:48 GMT -5
I had another day to think about this, and I think what stumped me was the fact Jeshin mentioned - that it is statistically irrelevant to target people on the shadowboard because everyone is on it in some capacity - plus the fact that these veterans have played the game for years, had horrible stuff done to them ICly by other players and the world at large, and yet this sudden paranoia sunk in that they were being targeted because they were known and different. How about the many times before the Byn RPT when your PCs were dying to NPCs and world conditions? Where were the complaints then? And what level of stuck-up hubris do you have to reach that you feel that you're important enough as a player to not only not deserve negative treatment from NPCs, but deserve not to die when you put yourself in a position where you are highly likely to be killed? It seems to me that the players who feel they were targeted by staff on the Byn RPT were more bitter about the fact that they had lost yet another PC and had to, yet again, jump through the same hoops that the less-veteran players of lower stock have to jump through to get new powerful characters. At the very least this applies to @kronibas, who said in another thread that he was disappointed that he would have to ask to play a sorcerer. You can't complain that staff have pet players and at the same time demand preferred treatment for yourself. It makes no logical sense. Everyone should be on as equal a playing field as possible, and sometimes that means getting wiped out by dangerous NPCs that you attack.
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