faroukel
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Post by faroukel on Sept 26, 2018 14:35:17 GMT -5
Just cuz Im feeling vehement and sour today, will post you one of the many examples of convo with Rishte. She didn't like the fact orcs did have a lot of materials as mentioned above, so went in and changed the 'size' of all the rooms to the smallest option. This meant you couldn't drop anything in any of the rooms. Even though I mentioned that I had cleared out every single room, and they were -still- too small, she gave grief and didn't fix it. In fact, right after that, she went in and junked the whole clan armory for some reason. For like months, no one could drop anything in any of the orc rooms until Nimrod finally logged in and set shit straight. ...don't get me started on flower seeds...
I still turned it into a mini plot for my peeps, where we rp'ed a sickness going around the caves, and the cause being a rare breed of fleas in all the shit we had accumulated over the years. Hence the big scrap. But even after that, still stuck to the guns and the sphere died after a brief resurgence.
It's an email, so first message starts at the bottom.
Hi,
As noted in the ticket..All these materials have been removed.
There are zero bins, crates, boxes, furniture in the room.
I’ve removed every container with the exception of the shelves as they are notake, leaving one example of each tool, having junked duplicates, and some spools of thread.
Please actually check the rooms.
The forge alone is heavy enough to max out a small room, let alone the tanning pits. This room should be set to a similar size to Utterby’s public work rooms.
Also, you cannot store bins in the other rooms without leaving the actual clan hall. As they too are set too small. You literally cannot drop anything in any of the rooms due to notake furniture outweighing the room size specs.
From: Rishte (Shadows of Isildur) [mailto:staff@middle-earth.us]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 1:35 AM
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Report A Problem - Faroukel
Your problem has been reviewed.
The majority of the weight in 'A Marble Forge and Hideworking Chamber' comes from the plethora of materials and such housed in the shelves. The stone shelves themselves are weighty in both this room and the workroom. Unfortunately, this is a consequence of having so many tools and containers full of materials in workrooms. There are a plethora of other rooms in the Hall that you guys can use to stow materials in bins if you like.
I would suggest doing some reorganizing. Closing this ticket up.
On Thu, Mar 23 at 2:11 PM, Chris wrote:
Hello,
All the crafting rooms in the Vadok Clan Hall have been set to too small of an area.
For example.
A Marble Forge and Hideworking Chamber
As a test, this room in particular has been cleared of all bins/boxes/crates, storage benches, furniture, crafting materials ect. All duplicate tools on the single shelf have been junked.
One still cannot drop something in the room, probably due to the size/weight of the tanning pit and forge.
This was likely done when the rooms were set to no hide.
Please consider how this is not exactly ideal. You cannot craft in the clans main crafting room, nor drop meat in the meat cellar, or wood in the woodcrafting room. If you pick anything up, you're stuck with it in your inventory unless you travel 15 rooms outside the caves..because you can't drop it in the ultra small rooms.
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Post by shakes on Sept 26, 2018 14:56:00 GMT -5
Hehehe. I have had that same problem in Arm in crafting clan.
Clan leader: Go buy some shit.
*buys shit from hunter*
drop tiny, infinitesimally small flower
There's no room for that here.
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Post by lyse on Sept 26, 2018 20:21:25 GMT -5
Definitely was an Arm-like response to an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 16:54:32 GMT -5
So what happened? Did she just plain refuse to check the rooms and edit them into useable condition? Or did she argue that they are useable regardless?
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Post by tedium on Sept 27, 2018 19:09:18 GMT -5
It sounds like she skimmed the post and then did a half-assed check without either fully understanding the circumstances, or by just assuming that the original poster was mistaken without eever checking to see if that was the case. She probably just hopped into the room, saw the shelves take up 99% of the space, then told them to clean off the shelves without realizing that the shelves occupied that much space while cleaned out.
A proper, thorough check would be to figure out how many people should reasonably be able use that room at once, how much material they would need to do so, and consider if there are any available storage areas in adjacent rooms or if the rooms themselves double as storage ares. Finally, determine if what is provided manages to meet the minimum for what should be provided.
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Post by shakes on Sept 27, 2018 21:13:37 GMT -5
OR in a game where you're trying to build a playerbase and where you know there's a thousand bugs and little problems, just freakin' double or triple the room size for the guy and then get back to work on other shit. That would have been my solution.
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faroukel
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Post by faroukel on Sept 28, 2018 10:39:56 GMT -5
Backstory:
Orcs were hiding in their caves, sometimes while sleeping. Rishte decided that was verboten, because how dare a player (not me) hide in filthy, dark, dank, caves.
Solution? To go through every single room and set them to nohide, and while she was at it, setting the room sizes to that of an in-game closet.
When getting called out, even though it's pretty obvious that she had done it spitefully, I made sure to make the request as politely as possible, and doing the cross the T and dot the I routine, made sure that the problem was immediately obvious.
The bulk of the request was ignored, a flimsy brush off was offered.
Just to reiterate. If you picked an item up in any of the orc cave rooms, you couldn't drop it unless you went like 15 rooms out of the main clan area, due to room undersizing. Do you know how annoying that is? This was also at the same time, that stupid fatigue/movement was put in. So even a naked pc, couldn't walk four or five rooms without their entire stamina being drained.
So, you pick up an item...shit. Cant drop it here, cant drop it here, cant drop it there...stuck with it. Lets go ditch it. Ok, went two rooms, have to rest. Ok, this time went five rooms, have to rest. Alright, 4 rooms this time, only four more to go...resting, resting, ok! I got enough stamina to get to the spot where I can drop something. Dropped! Now I have to go back...6 rooms this time, resting. 5 rooms this time, only 1 more to go! Rest. Ok, I'm here. Better not pick anything up.
Anyways, this was just one example of Arm staffing style making its way to another game. It's not the only one I got. Its not even close to the nastiest communications I had with her. It's just one example I felt no resistance at posting publically.
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faroukel
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Post by faroukel on Sept 28, 2018 10:47:09 GMT -5
From: Rishte (Shadows of Isildur) [mailto:support@middle-earth.us]
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:09 PM
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Stocked wooden woodworking bench
Failure to follow Helpfile Support for submitting issues will result in future requests going unanswered. You have been reminded to follow the helpfile multiple times, please comply.
Is there a craft to stock this bench and is there restrictions on it? I notice it seems to be partially consumed..is this like a tanning pit which has endless supply, or does it require more materials that are available to both spheres?
- Check your crafts.
If not, can we have the simple woodworking bench loaded?
- No.
Also, why the change? Was the old way of just having a plain woodworking bench and some tools not working?
- Realism.
Closing this ticket up. Please do not reply. If you have other queries see Help Support and submit accordingly.
On Wed, Mar 22 at 6:56 AM, Chris wrote:
Hello,
The orc woodcrafting room (A shoddy makeshift workroom) lacks a simple, stocked woodworking bench.
This seems to be a new addition to woodcrafting.
There is a holly woodworking bench, which shows as being used in the woodworking crafts when examined (such as make practice-knife), but does not actually work for the craft.
Is there a craft to stock this bench and is there restrictions on it? I notice it seems to be partially consumed..is this like a tanning pit which has endless supply, or does it require more materials that are available to both spheres?
If not, can we have the simple woodworking bench loaded?
Also, why the change? Was the old way of just having a plain woodworking bench and some tools not working?
Also # 2, this bench is stocked with glue and nails and is used in crafts that have literally no usage of glues or nails. Whittling arrow shafts, carving tool handles, and so on do not require glue nor nails. This seems to be double dipping on craft materials and is just another bit of annoyance added to the game.
Regards,
Chris
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faroukel
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Post by faroukel on Sept 28, 2018 10:54:53 GMT -5
This was another good one. I'm not even picking on the shitty ones, just the literally stupid WTF is wrong with you ones.
1. I didn't put a hyphen and acct name(- Faroukel) in the email subject line. That tweaked her out. They were pretending to sort and record inquiries. It never mattered to the ticket system whether you put your acct name in or not.
2. Rishte decided crafting wasn't shitty enough as is, and added a layer of bureaucratic shit to the process by requiring these crafting tables in all the crafts (except clothier crafts, as...you know, she played a clothier). These would be stocked with things that were already in the craft materials themselves. So a major double dip on materials. And then, they were applied as a blanket across the craft sets. This meant you'd be using up materials through the benches like nails and whatnot, for things that would have no place using those materials. Nails on arrowshafts being a good example.
3. When I asked to get the table loaded, so you know, we could craft..was told no. No reason why. Just no. The same with a 'cobblers table' because orcs don't make boots. Literally changed the whole system, to remove crafting from orcs.
4. Realism. People don't play fantasy RPIs for realism. Whoever thinks RPI mudding is a RL simulator, in my book, is ultra strange. But then even, if the goal is realism...make it realistic. Don't be a turd for the sake of being a turd.
Anyways, there's my critique of Arm staffing style. If you want to see the real nasty shit, might post them. These were actually the civil examples.
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Post by shakes on Sept 28, 2018 11:22:27 GMT -5
That doesn't even jive with the Tolkien lore.  Was that the only imm? There was nobody to appeal to? |
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Post by lyse on Sept 28, 2018 12:00:38 GMT -5
Yup, typical Arm styled staffing.
Can we confirm Rishte is/was Adhira?
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Post by jcarter on Sept 28, 2018 12:03:23 GMT -5
From: Rishte (Shadows of Isildur) [mailto:support@middle-earth.us] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:09 PM To: Chris Subject: Re: Stocked wooden woodworking bench Failure to follow Helpfile Support for submitting issues will result in future requests going unanswered. You have been reminded to follow the helpfile multiple times, please comply. Is there a craft to stock this bench and is there restrictions on it? I notice it seems to be partially consumed..is this like a tanning pit which has endless supply, or does it require more materials that are available to both spheres? - Check your crafts. If not, can we have the simple woodworking bench loaded? - No. Also, why the change? Was the old way of just having a plain woodworking bench and some tools not working? - Realism. Closing this ticket up. Please do not reply. If you have other queries see Help Support and submit accordingly. On Wed, Mar 22 at 6:56 AM, Chris wrote: Hello, The orc woodcrafting room (A shoddy makeshift workroom) lacks a simple, stocked woodworking bench. This seems to be a new addition to woodcrafting. There is a holly woodworking bench, which shows as being used in the woodworking crafts when examined (such as make practice-knife), but does not actually work for the craft. Is there a craft to stock this bench and is there restrictions on it? I notice it seems to be partially consumed..is this like a tanning pit which has endless supply, or does it require more materials that are available to both spheres? If not, can we have the simple woodworking bench loaded? Also, why the change? Was the old way of just having a plain woodworking bench and some tools not working? Also # 2, this bench is stocked with glue and nails and is used in crafts that have literally no usage of glues or nails. Whittling arrow shafts, carving tool handles, and so on do not require glue nor nails. This seems to be double dipping on craft materials and is just another bit of annoyance added to the game. Regards, Chris lol what an asshole. |
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faroukel
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Post by faroukel on Sept 28, 2018 12:23:57 GMT -5
shakesAt the time, the staff roster was Nimrod, Frigga and Rishte. Nimrod was afk for personal reasons. Frigga was just a talking head. Rishte held the reins by lack of alternative. It went that way for like nearly a year, until a playerbase of 0 became so blatantly evident that Nimrod came back and instituted sweeping changes. Sage then uncovered the cheating and Rishte was booted. Eventually, Nimrod and Frigga both were removed from the game through some sort of voluntary style coup where they both let go due to the 'public wishes'. Which really, I respected...even if it was a year or two too late. Nimrod is still kind of involved from time to time as a guest coder. IMO, he's always been a great guy, but just never had enough time to really be the Game Lead. As to Rishte's ARM identity, I'd prefer to leave the identifier confidential, but they were a former SoI player, and an ARM storyteller of some note. I should also note I may be getting Adhira confused with Anahiah or whatever, due to the A's..but I don't think so.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 17:28:57 GMT -5
I dont really know if Rishte and Adhira were the same person. All I can offer is that Adhira was the staffer who taught others to be less glib, more diplomatic, more expansive, and understanding in interactions with playerbase. And I dont mean it in a sarcastic way. When Nergal was pushed out, it was Adhira who posted this 'peaceful approach' to the playerbase to mend fences. When various players were victimized and had difficulty finding anyone on staff who would listen, it was Adhira who would reach out and make a honest attempt to work shit out. She's not very creative and is subpar as a storyteller. But she's a pretty good HR administrator. If Rishte was in any way, shape, or form a coder, then Rishte is definitely not Adhira. Does anyone know which staffer on SoI was the player of Lyvren? I know she 'was' a coding staffer on SoI for awhile, but I dont recall which one. I dont know. It is expected of me to say, "No! Adhira is no Rishte!" But I cant do it properly, because I have too limited information. Adhira have been on leave for awhile now, due to health problems, or something like that. I was hoping to coincide Rishte's departure and Adhira's departure. But if Rishte got booted forcefully, then that wouldn't work. As far as "This is such an Arm Response". This isnt an Arm's response. This is an asshole's response. If you were to read the last mafia's game. Topkek was the moderator of that game and most of his responses were assholish. So the only thing I can challenge here is that Arm Response != Asshole Response. Though periodically, those responses happen in Arm as well  . |
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Post by lyse on Sept 28, 2018 22:06:49 GMT -5
Wasn’t much of a challenge.
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