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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 10:55:19 GMT -5
I will probably be playing arm again if that happens. I don't want an apology or a victory or anything like that. that's why I just made a new account and played the game, and when I'd been playing about 6 months, spec apped a bottom tiered magicker, and since I'd never used an IP switcher with the account or with the browser for the tool, wanted to make sure in the first request I opened other than a join/leave clan forum request, that I knew I'd violated protocols and acted unprofessionally which was a disservice to them. It wasn't some attempt to get special attention or even a plea to try and make a better case for the spec app - frankly, them NOT knowing who I was, I would've had a better chance of getting it, which is really the source of the frustration. Like... I didn't sit here punching myself in the nuts in penance to put on a show, that's absurd. If that makes any sense, I mean.
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Post by desertman on Nov 12, 2015 11:03:52 GMT -5
I will probably be playing arm again if that happens. I don't want an apology or a victory or anything like that. that's why I just made a new account and played the game, and when I'd been playing about 6 months, spec apped a bottom tiered magicker, and since I'd never used an IP switcher with the account or with the browser for the tool, wanted to make sure in the first request I opened other than a join/leave clan forum request, that I knew I'd violated protocols and acted unprofessionally which was a disservice to them. It wasn't some attempt to get special attention or even a plea to try and make a better case for the spec app - frankly, them NOT knowing who I was, I would've had a better chance of getting it, which is really the source of the frustration. Like... I didn't sit here punching myself in the nuts in penance to put on a show, that's absurd. If that makes any sense, I mean. You are a special case because you used to be staff and came "to the dark side".
That whole thing I said about "you can't publicly go against your team" is your biggest violation.
You did what you can't do. You can't go against your team.
I'm not sure what your staff contract was or if you even specifically violated it. However, you did personally violate their trust in you so on a personal level they are "mad-bro".
That's understandable. However, it being understandable doesn't make it a point of reference from which to derive policies for establishing punishment parameters for players.
They should acknowledge they are personally angry with you. They should then acknowledge exactly which rules you broke.
They should then determine based on the rules you broke, and not their personal anger, what your punishment should be.
That punishment should be limited to punishments which there are Official Policies for. They should not create random special punishments just for you based instead on their level of personal anger, which is what happened here based on the reply you received.
Either you broke rules that do indeed have specific policies for specific punishments attached to them, up to and including banning you, or you didn't.
Since you weren't banned, or at least aren't currently banned anymore (?), then that obviously isn't on the table.
In short, this restriction is pretty obviously based on someone's (Nyr's?) personal level of anger with you based on the fact you broke his "circle of trust". However, punishing you out of ongoing personal resentment is not only bad for the image of the game and its staff but it is also bad for the health of the community. I think staff realizes that and in three months you will be given your "rights" back so long as you don't "stir the turd" in the meantime and the request you submit is in fact humble with no references in any way to your past "crimes".
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Post by punished ppurg on Nov 12, 2015 11:13:44 GMT -5
Lots of "quotes" there "desertman".
How about we just "acknowledge" that "anaiah" has been specifically "targetted" for being "shat on" by the "staff team" and accept it to reflect who they "are".
Also, this conversation is way "off-topic".
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Post by desertman on Nov 12, 2015 11:16:05 GMT -5
Lots of "quotes" there "desertman". How about we just "acknowledge" that "anaiah" has been specifically "targetted" for being "shat on" by the "staff team" and accept it to reflect who they "are". Also, this conversation is way "off-topic". I feel I covered it in the way I felt was necessary.
I'm fine with you covering it how you best see fit.
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Post by sirra on Nov 12, 2015 11:39:08 GMT -5
PS: I pretty much said all those things and was told I was being insincere. That was what offended me to the point I left again. Haha. In my own personal experience over the last ten years...Every time I had a tiff with Nyr. And then I decided to try and make peace about it and move on...He ALWAYS used any kind of olive branch as an excuse to rip on me more. I would say Nyr had a sociopathic lack of empathy, but it would be insulting to sociopaths. (Of course, the more likely reason for Nyr's exceptionally ill grace is not that he's sociopathic - it's that he's so lacking in confidence and feels so threatened, that he clings to arrogant bluster like a life raft). Hopefully, he'll never come back, and we can all get used to talking about him in the past tense. |
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Post by tedium on Nov 12, 2015 11:46:38 GMT -5
The fact that staff look it as an "us vs them" team game is part of the problem. Anaiah shouldn't be a pariah for agreeing that the user base is correct about staff dicking them around, especially since her reason for doing so was that particular members of staff were dicking other staff members around. Even if it is an "us vs them" scenario why do they only want to see it as "us" when they're supposedly wronged by Anaiah, but not when they're wronging her?
Anyway, this is way off topic so I'll add:
Which extended subguilds skills do not cap higher than their non-extended sister subguild? And which subguild skills cap higher than full-fledged guild skills? I have heard that Thug sap is higher than both Assassin sap and Slipknife sap for example.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 11:49:06 GMT -5
PS: I pretty much said all those things and was told I was being insincere. That was what offended me to the point I left again. You probably shouldn't pattern your apology after Nyr's apology to Kronibas from the GDB. That's probably why they didn't believe it. |
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Post by sirra on Nov 12, 2015 22:35:26 GMT -5
Which extended subguilds skills do not cap higher than their non-extended sister subguild? And which subguild skills cap higher than full-fledged guild skills? I have heard that Thug sap is higher than both Assassin sap and Slipknife sap for example. Mostly (excepting some hazy debate re: sap where slipknife and thug are concerned) the extended subguild skills were basically statted to be 5-10 points below the max that the 'main guild' gets it as. There are exceptions. Several extended subguilds have been nerfed after the fact. And they don't tell us when they get nerfed. The only obvious example I can give people is Slipknife, which after being abused by various whirans, seems to have had its backstab/sap scaled about 20-30 points below what assassin gets, instead of like ~10. Outdoorsman got tweaked as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 4:22:17 GMT -5
i was clear the first time, everyone has cgp for adv subguilds plus everyone gets the same amount 3cgp in each of 3 spec apps a year for adv subguilds or skill bumps how about u show where thats not true instead of ignoring whats written in front of u Not everyone will get their spec apps approved, and you can't spec app unlimited times. Three per year is by no means universally available, and as I pointed out, being granted on a spec app basis makes it not equally available. Advanced subguilds are not available to all players for all of their characters, creating an inequality between characters who would, before advanced subguilds, have had equal opportunities. You seem unable to grasp the very notion of this, and I probably should have stopped trying to reason with you already. And then I pointed out that moving it to the karma system worsens this discrepancy between mundane characters, which is different from how the game used to be, and which I maintain was a key part of ensuring that players didn't have to worry as much about karma and staff favor. You completely failed to even register this part of the argument. You're the one who's ignoring what's written. And what's worse than having a lack of reading comprehension is to accuse others of having a lack of reading comprehension when you're the one who can't understand what's being written. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 10:18:09 GMT -5
I kinda wish they would make all guilds extended subguilds. The beefed up subguilds are really good at rounding out a PC's skill set and background.
EDIT: Erm, I mean all SUBGUILDS, not all guilds, obviously.
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Post by jkarr on Nov 13, 2015 17:05:43 GMT -5
i was clear the first time, everyone has cgp for adv subguilds plus everyone gets the same amount 3cgp in each of 3 spec apps a year for adv subguilds or skill bumps how about u show where thats not true instead of ignoring whats written in front of u Not everyone will get their spec apps approved no one guaranteed approval the only guarantee is the option which everyone is given unless they fuck up and u cant spec app unlimited times. Three per year is by no means universally available those three times arent universally available if u fucked up, otherwise those three cgp are universally available until u use them up for the year and as I pointed out, being granted on a spec app basis makes it not equally available no more equally available that it is for u to, say, play in the same clan twice in a row. this is not the gamebreaker ur making it out to be Advanced subguilds are not available to all players for all of their characters[creating an inequality between characters who would, before advanced subguilds, have had equal opportunities lmao equal let me get this right ur deciding that its unfair that theres a limit to how often you can apply for ext subguilds because u cant always guarantee ur mundanes having an 'equal chance' at being as badass as other mundanes at any time? lol what did ur ranger/thug get blicked by a warrior/outdoorsman? haha if anything this keeps u never knowing a chars potential or lack of it vs a game where it is pretty much guaranteed that every mundane combat class u see is optimaly guild-matched You seem unable to grasp the very notion of this, and I probably should have stopped trying to reason with you already. rather ur gripe was so laughabe and leftfield that it didnt even register until u spelled it out And then I pointed out that moving it to the karma system worsens this discrepancy between mundane characters, which is different from how the game used to be, and which I maintain was a key part of ensuring that players didn't have to worry as much about karma and staff favor. theyre always going to do shit to incentivize u to play how they want u to play, thats been true even before they systemized it with karma You're the one who's ignoring what's written. And what's worse than having a lack of reading comprehension is to accuse others of having a lack of reading comprehension when you're the one who can't understand what's being written. lol try again genius, as of that line ur the only one in this convo that accused anyone of lacking reading comprehension. get ur shit together |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 19:32:36 GMT -5
Anyone able to tell me if there is a subguild with nohands ride and direction sense?
Is that Nomad?
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Post by latrineswimmer on Jun 28, 2016 20:17:57 GMT -5
Nomad, Caravan Guide, Hunter, Bounty Hunter
Also jkarr REKT oldtwink there.
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Post by grumble on Jun 29, 2016 1:12:42 GMT -5
When you get rekt by Jkarr, it's time to pass the mic.
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Post by OT on Jun 29, 2016 5:45:32 GMT -5
Nonsense. He kept insisting that extended subguilds were universally available to everyone without limitations, so it was fine for some of them to be way better than others. I pointed out that he's wrong and he couldn't even understand what was being said to him. Then again, the reason I've mostly stopped posting is because this forum is reduced to people who can't string a coherent post together and seem to think that getting the last post in is the same as winning an argument.
It's been a while since this place was worth anyone's time. It's just a dumping ground for grumble's ramblings. It has become a forum of idiots. People with anything meaningful to say have left, which is just as well because you guys sacrificed any chance of this place having a purpose when you supported and defended a guy posting the stolen staff wiki which gave the staff an excuse to circle the wagons and revert to Nyr-era behaviour. Anyone with some sense could see that coming.
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