Nyr's Greatest Hits

So it started with this thread from Kryos. gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,47083.0.html

when he finishes his autobiography, he invokes Hearts, Clubs, Diamonds, Spades: Players Who Suit Muds. Not at all an accurate description of role players. Here's the thing... i'm often wrongly accused of being a pedant. It's becauyse I'm anal-retentive. What's the difference? I still understoodf what the guy was going for and agreed with his message even though I found fault in his illustration.

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Guess who sweepingly dismissed the message over a presentation mistake? Ah, it;s Purposely Myopic Pedant Nyr:


Note that the Bartle stuff was used to by Kryos to present his argument in a structured way. while players might not match them, Id be amazed if most people hadn't palyed characters as the suits. Even if nobody ever had it changes nothing. There are no such thing as "Achievers" in an RPI? Fine. People are multifaceted unique snowflakes. "Achiever" is a legitimate facet a person might have. We can meet the OP half way.

Blindly Contrarian Nyr showed up in the same post. Again, highlights. Please forgive the redundancy i need to make a point here:

1. he says non-commitally we've got all the types on staff.
2. he says we don't have the resources to look at the playerbase's types to figure out what people are so we cant use Kryos' thing to figure out why turnover's so high
3. he says kryos' argument is probably subjective because... well. it's convenient to Nyrs argument.
4. he says he's not even sure if the thing he was sure is fully represented in staff (1) even exists the fuck at all while wishywashying that it might be really useful but rarely on a case by case and oh my this soup's delicious don't you think?

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Here the staff is encourages by Kryos to hire on people who don't spend all their time making friends. the intent is to have more people who like exploring, crafting, and PvP on staff. the intent of the argument is obvious. Sadly he's still using the Bartle types to say that... So naturally its Purposely Myopic Pedant Nyr who ansers:



Pedantry at its finest. the obviousness of the suggestion is intentuionally missed by Nyr. I can sum up both quotes from Kryos and Nyr's entire book of a response as this:

K: "Hire people with a more diverse interests in MUDing. Also, you tricked me into spending two sentences defending my illustration instead of touting the spirit of my point. Im oblivious that you'll use this to continue springboarding away from what I was trying to say by faulting the way I said it"

PMPN: "Im still winging about unimportant shit. Looks like I'm on-topic though doesnt it? since you took my bait, Im gonna keep trolling you into defending your illustration which is irrelevant to the merit of what you were trying to say."

He ends on contradicting his earlier post with:



So all those boxes the staff fills (1) they can't fit within? damn. shouldn't have been Blindly Contrarian Nyr so early; your mistake's still on the same page.

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Classic Nyr being condescending and dropping cowardly, indirect insults. he's followed by another appearance by Purposely Myopic Pedant Nyr in the same sentence:



notice how he still hasn't address ANYTHING of substance in the thread yet? Just keeps whinging about shit that doesn't matter. Prior to this post two posts were made by Patuk who didnt take Nyr's bait in either of them. he/she expands on the spirit of Kryos' argument in this massive post.


Nyr completely ignores both posts. in fact Nyr doesn't respond to Patuk at all until this post where Patuk attempts to call Nyr out on his behavior and self-contradiction. Blatantly Lying Nyr responds to Patuk's remark that Nyr's coming off as condescending with this pile of shit:

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Same thread, more Classic Nyr:



Being on staff has nothing to do with being active. Nessalin is a particularly bad example for nyr to invoke. Not knocking Ness. I just recall my experiences with him were far apart. And he seemed totally disconnected from the playerbase/direction.

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I'm now tired. After this point nyr's successfully run the thread off the rails. Now its trapped in a cycle of remarks about subjectivity. And a healthy dose of shifting the blame onto the player base. Kryos finally partially got his head out of his ass on page 4. I expect Nyr to continue avoiding the point.

i suppose someone could make the limp argument Nyr honestly missed the point. That's a blatant lie but it doesn't prevent someone from typing it. Nyr avoids every point by every participant in this thread about weaknesses in the game. instead he focuses on everything besides the point being made. The closest he gets to addressing the real spirit of the argument are sweeping dismissals. Using what? The "it's just your opinion" routine. a classic handwave by Classic Nyr.

I wouldn't even know where to start honestly. There are many instances in which Nyr showed how petty he could be, but here's one:

I posted what I figured would be my final message on the GDB as a player of Armageddon in IIRC the "What Turned You Off from the Game" thread, wherein I stated that being transferred by staff into the middle of the air after I'd gotten away from my guerrilla campaign against the Allanaki forces rubbed me the wrong way and I was choosing to move on. No hard feelings.

Nyr proceeded to attack me, making such bold claims as stating I'd spammed from my point directly to camp. This was of course untrue, and I stated as such. As willing as I was to discuss the matter in a respectful manner, Nyr wouldn't have it.

After his unsuccessful attempts to troll bait me into using foul, course language and deriding him, he proceeded to wonder out loud whether or not I would be allowed to remain a member of the GDB, adding that it wouldn't be up to him. I was banned not five minutes after.

He then proceeded to expunge the entirety of our exchange from the GDB for reasons only he himself knows.
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He also claimed after Gowan killed Rissa that he at first thought I was a good player, though when faced with his character's death he claimed I wasn't very good.

I find that interesting:

I've read over your requets re: Gowan's death, and while I will not comment on the IC situation because I am not your clan staff, I do hope you come back for another character in the future. You're a great new player and while it can be quite a blow to lose a first long-lived character--or even a first character who developed a great deal of depth regardless of time played--one of the hardest things about Armageddon that took me a while to learn is that every character has an expiration date. But that just means you can move on to a new story set somewhere different, with a whole new cast.

Regardless of whether you return to play here, all the best,
- A staff member

Maybe this should be a complaint, because Gowan was just too freaking awesome! He always had something going on and kept me wondering. I'm pretty terrible at playing stealth characters and really enjoyed seeing a fully fleshed out one played so well. Gowan was one of the only PCs I felt I had a fully fleshed out relationship with. I miss playing with him! Seriously though, I took way too long sending this. You rock.

My personal favorite:

Hey there,

This may seem like an odd way to get feedback from staff, but as I'm not over your clan I don't really communicate with you much or get a chance to say anything. But I wanted my opinions known!

Gowan is one of my favourite PCs alive right now and an absolute joy to watch. He's got depth and three-dimensionality rarely seen in this game, and his internal RP is spectacular. Especially those thinks and feels, MAN.

You're doing great for someone so new to the game and I think you add a lot to both the flavour of our world and to Kurac. Keep up the good work and hopefully I'll get a chance to mess with you in good time.

- An anonymous staffer (I still don't know who sent this, but I have a fairly good idea)

The last one was submitted as kudos by a staff member. It made me feel so good about the game, and that anything was possible if staff would just let you play and develop your character into a three dimensional person with their own faults and strengths.

To add: the purpose of me posting the above was not to pat myself on the back, but rather to illustrate just how petty and vindictive Nyr can be. The difference between how certain staff can lift me up as a player and inspire me to REALLY try my best and the pettiness Nyr displays with alarming consistency is simply immeasurable.

Sounds like some of that diversity of the playerbase Kyros was talking about, to me.

Also, no one is forcing you to read those threads.

Also, the moons do have an effect on play, as anyone caught out at night will attest.

I read this and my futility meter pegged at maximum. Posts to the GDB are wasted effort and won't change anything, they'll only aggravate people. All there is to do is to play the game and stop when it's no longer enjoyable. Unfortunately I'm nearly there. I can't think of a character concept I'd want to play after this current one. Every idea I come up with fails the "is it doable without staff help" check and so is essentially hopeless.

The way he poaches the GDB for posts to attack in the most unprofessional, immaturely hostile way is reminiscent of a schoolyard bully emboldened by the presence of his oafish, unquestioning goons. He knows that even if he's wrong, he can still "win" any argument by flexing his power because he's the head admin and because the GDB community these days consists mostly of fawning backpatters who are cowed into subservience as people know that getting on Nyr's bad side will mean obstacles at every turn and a head admin just waiting for an excuse to ban you. Note how little actual discussion takes place there nowadays -- most of the strong-willed people have seen it for the lost cause that it is.

The GDB (and, to a considerable extent, the game itself) has lost its proactive and determined members, and those who were willing to voice a strong opinion. As Anaiah has pointed out elsewhere, the number of new players has shot up in the last year or so, but the actual amount of players is the same. There's a suspicious lack of backbone left in the community, just as there has been a stark absence of initiative and driving force in-game for the last few years. Many of the players who had some dignity and sense have found it difficult to tolerate the administration and the direction of the game since Nyr took over, and it's telling that this is the first time in the history of the RPI genre that people have created a forum dedicated primarily to discussing how bad a game's director is.

I honestly don't care enough about him to waste my time scouring the GDB for suitable examples. It seems a bit obsessive to want a list of "transgressions" as if we're taking him to court or something. We all know how he is, so I don't feel the need to provide quotes or justify my stance when it's not even a two-sided debate. I'd be careful not to let this forum become too much of a circle jerk lest it get too easy for him to dismiss these discussions as biased slander.