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Post by lyse on Apr 11, 2014 11:44:21 GMT -5
Nyr seems to be stuck on the racial aspect of the game and apparently has been for years. It really seems to grind his gears, though I'm not sure why. I think most people get there should be racism, but there comes a point where it can hinder RP. Jumping on Anaiah while there's hot elf on HG mudsex going on is very odd and says he had another issue and chose that particular thing for it to come out. It's not just nyr with the racial stuff. I have had approximately 2 pcs be somewhat friendly to 2 elves in 5 years. The first pc, Cumani, was exploiting an elf that was "honest" to more or less do as much work for her as possible for no real pay. The second one, Nat (Ilanit) was nice to that elf because that elf was supposedly in the process of working for her girlfriend (and was actually testing her, by letting it out that she was a magicker, seeing as she intended to get gemmed anyhow, and was in the process of trying to find a templar to do it). I don't get how anyone can get along with elves unless they're under the elves' "protection" or under their thumb, as that's the only time I've not gotten a negative account note for actual interaction with elven pcs, and I'm inclined to believe that it was (frankly) because I was on staff at the time. Exactly. I don't know why people assume just because you're not openly hating elves or breeds or whatever, you must not be engaging in racial play. The entire aspect of subtle racism is often missed out on, on Arm and that bothers me, because so many people miss it and staff of all people shouldn't especially since it opens up all kinds of RP opportunities. Just because you're being "nice" doesn't mean you're being nice, most of the time it's far worse. *shrug* But that's just me. He made a rant about that on the GDB and I just had to shake my head.
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Post by jcarter on Apr 11, 2014 12:06:32 GMT -5
overt racism is a pretty dumb and rare thing. why are you going to ruin whatever opportunities you can milk out of an elf and turn them into an enemy in a world where life is cheap and there's constant betrayal and backstabbing? racism manifests itself in a lot more subtle ways. it's like the guy's idea of what racism actually is came from watching django unchained.
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on Apr 11, 2014 12:23:24 GMT -5
Hell, even in that movie the racism wasn't so static. You had a black guy, who was rolling around with a white dude, killing other white dudes, while betraying his own people by being a slaver, biting his tongue about it so not to blow his cover, hated by both blacks and whites, just so he can save his wife and eventually get justice for himself..
Somehow THAT seems very "ARM" to me.. Like you have an elf, sacrificing his personal honor by running with humans, betraying other elves to the Highlord, just so he can climb that political ladder, establishing a 'loyal' rep among them, just so he can slowly get close enough to that one Templar who ordered the axe-murder of his children twenty years ago, biding his time for that perfect moment, and then suicidally murder the shit out of him.
Not like these, Fuck you, I'm an elf therefore I hate humans automatically in a rigid and unyielding manner, scenarios..
I've thought too much about this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 12:46:30 GMT -5
It's a thing he does. Whenever anybody complains to him, his routine response is to attack the person voicing the complaint and completely ignore the subject matter.
I once played a PC in Tuluk. Upon revealing myself as a performer - not even officially a bard, I was just doing card tricks and things like that; I sang exactly one song in public, ever - my character was *instantly* targeted by animated NPC bards threatening my PC *on his life* to join the Circle. I was really confused by this and looked in the documentation where it states that "some bards choose to join the Circle" or something to that effect. Despite this, the guy was all over me with daily threats and reminders over the fucking Way like some kind of insane stalker.
When I pointed this out and asked them stop breaching the documentation in order to harass me, Nyr snarkily berated me on my skill use (I'd been peeking liberally to find NPCs with stealable things and using the steal skill for visual tricks with the 'plant' command; never stole from a PC even once) and didn't even acknowledge my query. When I pressed the matter of his NPC abuse and documentation clash, he again deflected this by steering the conversation pretty directly towards forcibly retiring my character on the spot.
I never played a serious character again. Made a couple of throwaways and then quit for good.
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Post by lyse on Apr 11, 2014 13:25:33 GMT -5
Hell, even in that movie the racism wasn't so static. You had a black guy, who was rolling around with a white dude, killing other white dudes, while betraying his own people by being a slaver, biting his tongue about it so not to blow his cover, hated by both blacks and whites, just so he can save his wife and eventually get justice for himself.. Somehow THAT seems very "ARM" to me.. Like you have an elf, sacrificing his personal honor by running with humans, betraying other elves to the Highlord, just so he can climb that political ladder, establishing a 'loyal' rep among them, just so he can slowly get close enough to that one Templar who ordered the axe-murder of his children twenty years ago, biding his time for that perfect moment, and then suicidally murder the shit out of him. Not like these, Fuck you, I'm an elf therefore I hate humans automatically in a rigid and unyielding manner, scenarios.. I've thought too much about this. No, because awesome as that would be to RP something like that Nyr would shut you down and be all "You're supposed to hate that human, not work with him!" *karmadock*
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Post by legendary on Apr 11, 2014 20:42:17 GMT -5
Complaint: hey I think this may need looking at Reply: no u I laughed a bit more than I should have. nat and related activities Everyone involved in that circle received negative account notes or had karma docked, including a friend of mine that I know to be a stellar player. From what I was told, Nyr had a personal vendetta against two of the players involved and it spiraled into full "nerd rage" after some event in game didn't play out to his liking. The end result was several players were hit with punishing account notes. I'm told one of his Tuluk characters was somehow involved, but the how of it was never explained to me. You may want to take this with a grain of salt, it's second and third hand information.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 3:41:43 GMT -5
Everything kind of points towards Nyr being a "corporate psychopath." Psychopaths are significantly over-represented in the corporate world where they're often found in leadership positions, especially of smaller companies where the climb to the top is shorter. They're not full-blown Patrick Bateman mental, but they're abusive for the sake of it and they'll say and do anything at all to stay in power or just appear like they're in control of things. They're the unscrupulous tyrants of the business world.
People like this often make their way to the top because it's their sole goal to rule over others and because they have strong personalities that help them get into positions of power, but they cause enormous damage in the process and are hugely detrimental to the health of the staff and company. They tend to do a passable job at actually managing the company, but it's overshadowed by their brutal exploitation and constant harassment of everyone beneath them except for those who fawn and pander to the psychopath's ego.
The traits of a corporate psychopath include a cheating personality, no remorse about how their actions affect their employees (i.e. players), refusal to take responsibility for their own actions, excessively critical of people beneath them, able to appear normal and professional on the surface but becomes a short-fused maniac if confronted in private, a lack of self-blame and insight about their behaviour, and other similar characteristics most of which Nyr has displayed in abundance. I know it's common to just ladle derogatory terms onto someone you don't like, but I genuinely think he's a textbook workplace psycho.
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Post by moofassa on Apr 13, 2014 9:57:16 GMT -5
He didn't start off a psychopath. He was pretty damn good before his promotion and climbed his way up the ladder by being many times more efficient than most other staff at the time. He was actually a rather nice guy several years ago when I was actively playing. Whether he developed a psychopathic personality from too many years up on his throne, I don't know.
I had a complaint similarly brushed off by Nyr the way Anaiah/AG's was, but he did it in a much more polite manner, even though the response was mostly just "no u". Kinda dickish to take things out of context, just to reject a "complaint".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 10:18:06 GMT -5
You may want to take this with a grain of salt, it's second and third hand information. That would mean that he's playing a character in Tuluk, while adminning in Tuluk? I dont think that's something he can pull off. Staff isnt allowed to play in the regions they oversee. They get drawn in sometimes though, I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 10:38:10 GMT -5
That's not really the case, @armqwertytwo, he can play in Tuluk. He's just not allowed to join Tuluk specific clans (ie clans that he oversees), so he could entirely have been a GMH employee of any kind and been playing in Tuluk, or an independent playing there.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 13, 2014 15:10:38 GMT -5
He didn't start off a psychopath. He was pretty damn good before his promotion and climbed his way up the ladder by being many times more efficient than most other staff at the time. So he hid his behavior until he was in a position of authority so it would be harder to catch him. That doesn't require a lot of intelligence. it's common behavior for sociopaths which is what I think oldtwink meant to say. There's a lot of mixing up of those terms. i think that's why both got rolled into antisocial personality disorder. And probably to fuck with Hollywood for confusing people by giving them a name too long to use in snappy dialog. Anyhow. Give this a read. see if it reminds you of someone: healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/89-sociopaths-authority-figures-and-abusive-personalities.html
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Post by jcarter on Apr 13, 2014 16:15:11 GMT -5
i think calling him a psychopath/sociopath or whatever is pushing it and getting silly. it's really more of a textbook case of what happens when you give someone that's got some insecurities or has little man syndrome an iota of power over their internet fiefdom: it goes straight to their head. it's the same old story: nerd gets put in charge of people and feels virile for the first time in their life and milks it for all it's worth. I see it happen all the time.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 13, 2014 16:27:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I can agree with it getting silly. wouldn't rule it out though. In any case this all is getting a bit off-topic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 19:02:49 GMT -5
It always gets discounted as stupid and exaggerated in every single case, but there's a checklist where you can basically determine whether or not someone fits the bill. For every single socipath (or whatever), there's a dozen people who thought it was ridiculous when someone pointed out the possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 19:13:27 GMT -5
It always gets discounted as stupid and exaggerated in every single case, but there's a checklist where you can basically determine whether or not someone fits the bill. For every single socipath (or whatever), there's a dozen people who thought it was ridiculous when someone pointed out the possibility. Yep. Top of my psych class for the 5 years I was in school for it, and even did my thesis on ASPD with a perfect score. It's a joke that sociopathy and psychopathy are all lumped together under that as an umbrella heading. Anyway, yeah, I don't think it would be unfair to speculate that he could be a sociopath, though psychopathy would indicate an amount of violence that I've seen no indications to support.
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