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Post by BitterFlashback on Mar 8, 2014 21:37:23 GMT -5
I honestly don't care enough about him to waste my time scouring the GDB for suitable examples. Right, but the point of this thread was to post actual examples of his bad behavior instead of just insulting him... I'd be careful not to let this forum become too much of a circle jerk lest it get too easy for him to dismiss these discussions as biased slander. ... in part so that thing you just said doesn't happen.
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Post by moofassa on Mar 12, 2014 20:03:15 GMT -5
I kinda respect Nyr tbh. I was active when he got promoted to senior staff (whatever it was called at the time). That was the peak of his popularity. He handled most of the requests and the promotion cleared out a lot of the backlogged requests that needed senior staff to handle. Back at that time, staff took a lot of unwarranted shit from the GDB and a lot of the upper staff lost interest in the game. Nyr tanked a lot of the GDB flames on behalf of the staff. He deserves his spot.
He's a live GDB search engine. A lot of attention to detail and memory. He remembers my alts and even called me out on my shit by quoting something I said on my alt a few years before that.
But he's a dick.
Nyr doesn't really have any "hits". He's only slightly more abrasive than average. If he wasn't staff, nobody would notice. He'd be like... Synthesis.
People notice because they get pissed off about something in the game, and he tells them to STFU. You're not going to find any compelling evidence of him being a dick, because he lays just low enough to avoid rebellion.
I think it's just IC roleplay spilling over into OOC. He handles the GDB like Tek and templarate would. He doesn't outright silence people. He makes a gory example of those who speak up. If people bite his troll and attack him, he uses that as evidence to silence them. He's good at using his information advantage at shutting people down. He gets to imply that some people have no idea what they're talking about, because all the info is in his hands. Nobody can complain about an unfair plot or feature because only staff know all the details, and he uses that advantage to humiliate anyone who tries.
I really did like the guy a few years back. There was even that "we love Nyr" thread a while back that he locked because it was unfair to the other staff. I'd rather he go back to doing that and cut out the passive aggressive keyboard warrior crap. Let the GDB rip into each other and only step in when people start saying outright lies. I'm pretty sure he reads this faster than any staff complaint.
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Post by lulz on Mar 12, 2014 21:36:33 GMT -5
He doesn't outright silence people. You haven't read the thread, have you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 21:41:21 GMT -5
He has countless hits. Every time he makes some unprovoked attack against GDB users, uses his powers as a staff member to punish people in-game because he dislikes them, twists the truth in order to discredit inconvenient opinions or otherwise "does a Nyr", he's far out of bounds for the head administrator of a game that hundreds of people have contributed to. He has no respect for anybody at all, he actively seeks out opportunities to create confrontations with people where he can then use his clout as top staff to dishonestly humiliate them in public, and he's even worse in private if you ever have the displeasure of a one-on-one with him. The way he treats people borders on some kind of mental problem, like a mild degree of narcissistic personality disorder or something.
You describe a hugely inappropriate, unprofessional and abusive adminisitrator and then brush it off as if it was just minor indiscretions. Like I've mentioned elsewhere, there really is a reason why an entire community has sprung up around a slew of people's common dislike of the guy. It's not the first time there's an unofficial Armageddon circle, but it certainly is the first time in twenty years that a community has united mostly because one admin has wronged enough people for them to create a board devoted to talking about how bad that one person is.
That's to say nothing of the direction of the actual game during his tenure which, while perhaps a matter of opinion, warrants pointing out that despite having no competition at the moment and having recently done a massive recruitment drive and advertisement campaign, their numbers haven't gone up at all and the roleplaying scene is utterly stagnant.
He may have been cool once back in the day when he'd just joined staff and couldn't yet get away with being a gigantic manipulative douchebag, but I don't think that changes anything about the way he started to behave once he was able to get away with anything. If you want to know what a man is like, look at how he treats his inferiors.
Edit: ugh, did I just quote Harry Potter?
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Post by lulz on Mar 12, 2014 22:23:11 GMT -5
Loved the post oldtwink, though if you don't want to quote Harry Potter, go big with Oscar Wilde: "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."
This quote rings true for alcoholics, drug abusers, Internet keyboard warriors, and Nyr.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 22:54:38 GMT -5
Nyr doesn't really have any "hits". He's only slightly more abrasive than average. If he wasn't staff, nobody would notice. He'd be like... Synthesis. People notice because they get pissed off about something in the game, and he tells them to STFU. You're not going to find any compelling evidence of him being a dick, because he lays just low enough to avoid rebellion. I respect your right to your opinion, moofassa but disagree. If you are following the GDB at all still, there is even a relatively recent example here (so recent that it is not even a week old yet):
KankWhisperer:"You used to also be more free to express your opinions fron my perspective. You didn't have to worry about GDB affecting you in game as much." Nyr: "Whose freedom to express their opinions is being curtailed here? How is the GDB affecting you or anyone in-game? " Kankwhisperer: "As for affecting you in game, I feel you're too quick to ban personally and not being able to use GDB in clan is a big deal sometimes. Also, I thought GDB can affect your karma." Nyr: "To the former, put in a staff complaint. You've done this before a few times, so you know the process. To the latter, yes. Your communication on the GDB or via e-mail can absolutely be detrimental to your account. However, that's for the best. No one is being forced to troll and flame on the GDB." So... how is it affecting you in game because as an Admin I don't know this... oh wait, you answered me something we both already knew, and it's true... Let's just accuse you of trolling and flaming because you have an opinion that was in no way negatively expressed... good thing no one can ban me (an admin) for flaming or trolling! I've added links to the original gdb posts in question that those are taken from verbatim. I can't help but wonder how a simple comment about the game being changed so that karma can be affected by gdb posts is taken as flaming or trolling. You are wrong, IMO, in your comparison to Synthesis. Synthesis might be a dick, but he's usually not going to try and bait people into it, and even if he did, he's not one of the game's administrators with the power of instant and permanent banning.
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Post by demonspongecake on Mar 13, 2014 14:04:15 GMT -5
I think that was moof's point though - if he wasn't staff he'd just be a dick everyone could ignore. Synthesis is just a pinch of salt internet antagonist - every forum has them.
On topic, sorry i haven't got an example Bitterflashback, but one thing I really dislike is when Nyr quotes or mentions details from people's requests in public on the GDB. I really don't think that is cool, no matter how much of a hypocrite the player is being. It just shows a distinct lack of respect for players and the request system.
Moof, the part in your post about him sorting out the GDB flamers is like that Simpsons episode. The lizards sort out the pigeon population... but now there's a lizard infestation. Don't worry, we'll bring in chinese needle snakes to kill the lizards off!
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Post by topkekm8s on Mar 15, 2014 21:49:32 GMT -5
haha are you serious
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Post by BitterFlashback on Mar 31, 2014 1:24:15 GMT -5
Nyr doesn't really have any "hits". He's only slightly more abrasive than average. If he wasn't staff, nobody would notice. He's "slightly" more abrasive in massively more volume. Also he can nix your karma and sandbag anything you need from the staff. hence the problem. Your post highlights the whole point of this thread. It is easy to rail on Nyr; he's a giant dick with a small cock. But my hope was to just have a place dedicating to posting proof of his asshattery instead of just referencing it happening. Regardless of if it was GDB shenanigans, PMs, one-on-one shit, or IMs. I do hope people who still read the GDB remember when they see Nyr nyrring to repost it here. I'm doing the same. I've been busy lately. Im back. i have some more Nyr to post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 1:54:42 GMT -5
Nyr: *makes 'tribal levies' thus stirring up a more tribal mindset in Tuluk again*
*makes the Anakore's burrow (aka the only tavern just for tribals and the only tavern in the tribal market) virtual (aka more or less deleting the actual coded tavern, but it pretend 'virtual' exists now, how fun!) on damn near the same day*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 23:47:03 GMT -5
Since I don't think this thread's entirely had it's day, I've gone back through my email for the details of one of the two player complaints submitted. It's quite a gem:
requests@armageddon.org 3/27/13
to me Type: Game Related -- Player Complaint
Details: Ummm. Alright, here goes. I rarely put these in because I don't feel like it's my place to be the RP police, and in this case, it's not exactly about that. I don't know that it even actually merits a 'complaint', but it seemed the best place to file it, because I think... someone at least... needs to be talked to or some of it needs to be brought to bear in the game world or you guys at least need to know it's going on.
Apparently Ellianshia (sp?) the diminutive elven woman and Gil (one of the half-giants) in the Byn actually had sex, though it's apparently been RPed in the past that his junk was the size of an arm. While I don't think that's the merits for a complaint, I think someone might need to talk to both pcs, or at the least, the one playing the elf, being as she is also quite new (it seems) and acts... pretty much like a sharp-eared f-me human. I think perhaps something should be brought up about realism or the documentation or...something.
requests@armageddon.org 3/27/13
to nyr, tzai_byn, me This is an automated email, part of the Request process at Armageddon MUD.
Please do not reply to this email directly.
Instead use this link:
http://www.armageddon.org/request/view.php?id=45015 Amandagreathouse,
While this is something we can and will review, your human magicker PC is making friends with a elf and probably not helping reinforce the gameworld that well with this (hopefully obviously?) new player.
-- Abruptly, #Ilanit# hugs Ellianshia, her features showing as much surprise as though someone else had done it for her.
-- Breaking the hug after a moment to open the door, Ilanit says to Ellianshia.: Thank you for listening and not being an awful person.
If we're going to bring up realism and the documentation, try not to go out of your way to befriend elves. You can help them out in other ways.
I'm not saying that your human magicker PC that isn't gemmed (yet) being a buddy with this one elf and hanging out with them with your PC's gemmed boyfriend is what has made them not really have a grasp realism or the gameworld. However, when we have a situation where a new player surrounded by so much that challenges the documentation (a magicker that isn't gemmed confiding in someone that isn't of the same race as them about how she is indeed a magicker, and having a boyfriend that is gemmed even if the relationship is complicated)...
Given all of that, it's really not that surprising to see this kind of behavior.
Nyr Armageddon Staff
Amandagreathouse requested, on 2013-03-27 01:56:47AM (0 days ago):
Cc'd to: T'zai Byn
Nyr@armageddon.org 3/27/13
to me, requests, tzai_byn Request Resolved: Amandagreathouse,
Your Player Complaint request has been resolved.
I would recommend keeping an eye on your roleplay and doing your best to try to put it more within the cultural norms. While occasionally veering out of the lines may happen, habitually "playing outside of the lines" can be an issue. We expect a little bit more out of those with more karma. Keep that in mind.
Thanks!
Nyr Armageddon Staff
Here are the details you provided for this request:
See. The real gem with all this is: If any of the actual runlogs had been grepped, it would have revealed that not only was she NOT friends with the elf (who she was being nice to on account of her GIRLFRIEND), Nyr assumed that the male pc working with the same people was my pc's boyfriend because he was played by my husband (who's gotten multiple inaccurate accusatory account notes for this stuff), when in reality, my character was Harle's (Of Harle and Pikks semi-fame) lover. And only Harle's. So every bit of what I was accused of doing in the being told off was untrue, and I was accused of the elf's bad roleplay being my fault... when in reality, I just wanted them to maybe give her a heads up about RPing sex with a half giant as an elf, because that's a huge size disparity and the player was clearly new.
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Post by mekillot on Apr 11, 2014 0:27:10 GMT -5
He's so fucking antagonistic that he hardly even said anything about the complaint itself. 'You can't have a complaint until you check your roleplay.' Him being ignorant of the real situation, and making snarky comments, is great though.
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Post by Patuk on Apr 11, 2014 5:43:10 GMT -5
.. lol
Complaint: hey I think this may need looking at
Reply: no u
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Post by lyse on Apr 11, 2014 7:13:21 GMT -5
Nyr seems to be stuck on the racial aspect of the game and apparently has been for years. It really seems to grind his gears, though I'm not sure why. I think most people get there should be racism, but there comes a point where it can hinder RP. Jumping on Anaiah while there's hot elf on HG mudsex going on is very odd and says he had another issue and chose that particular thing for it to come out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 10:25:44 GMT -5
Nyr seems to be stuck on the racial aspect of the game and apparently has been for years. It really seems to grind his gears, though I'm not sure why. I think most people get there should be racism, but there comes a point where it can hinder RP. Jumping on Anaiah while there's hot elf on HG mudsex going on is very odd and says he had another issue and chose that particular thing for it to come out. It's not just nyr with the racial stuff. I have had approximately 2 pcs be somewhat friendly to 2 elves in 5 years. The first pc, Cumani, was exploiting an elf that was "honest" to more or less do as much work for her as possible for no real pay. The second one, Nat (Ilanit) was nice to that elf because that elf was supposedly in the process of working for her girlfriend (and was actually testing her, by letting it out that she was a magicker, seeing as she intended to get gemmed anyhow, and was in the process of trying to find a templar to do it). I don't get how anyone can get along with elves unless they're under the elves' "protection" or under their thumb, as that's the only time I've not gotten a negative account note for actual interaction with elven pcs, and I'm inclined to believe that it was (frankly) because I was on staff at the time.
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