delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 14, 2013 10:07:10 GMT -5
While I give zero fucks about this I will give it a go just for the sake of producing some facts. Nyr locks a thread and comments.Another one. Check out this post by Nyr. Quote from Nyr: " We can and do take it far enough to just ban everyone (instigator and responders that don't simply report and let staff handle it)." Seems pretty heavy handed to me actually. It's stupid to ban EVERYONE. You can't ban everyone.. lol. |
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Post by jcarter on Oct 14, 2013 11:16:42 GMT -5
Can we get any specifics? Or will it forever look like a case of "baww staff didn't let me get what i wanted/get away with it and im really thin skinned what dicks" to those that haven't had bad experiences with staff after so many years? People don't like Nyr. I have yet to hear anywhere close to the number of complaints about every other staffer in the history of the game combined, including Nessalin, that even comes close to matching Nyr. Even just offhand comments that may or may not be justified still don't come close to how many people dislike and complain about Nyr. If you want to sit here and act as though the substantial portion of people who don't like Nyr and complain about him are just all big thin skinned babbies cool but doesn't it seem funny how people never seem to complain about their clan staff or any other staff? If you're going to white knight the guy then play up his good qualities instead of trying to downplay the numerous amounts of people who complain about him as just bad apples. |
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Post by topkekm8s on Oct 14, 2013 12:20:14 GMT -5
is he the dark knight armageddon needs
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 14, 2013 12:46:32 GMT -5
Uhm apparently not considering how many people have literally walked away from the game because of him. From what I've seen anyway.
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Post by slipshod on Oct 14, 2013 15:07:10 GMT -5
I get it that we aren't happy lately with what Nyr has been doing, but we really don't need to resort to these childish digs in order to get changes made. Just saying. he constantly gives the attitude//snark that earns him the insults if he would act like a human being instead of every stuck up IT cocksucker on the planet people might be nicer |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 14, 2013 16:28:30 GMT -5
While I give zero fucks about this I will give it a go just for the sake of producing some facts. Nyr locks a thread and comments.Another one. Check out this post by Nyr. Quote from Nyr: " We can and do take it far enough to just ban everyone (instigator and responders that don't simply report and let staff handle it)." Seems pretty heavy handed to me actually. It's stupid to ban EVERYONE. You can't ban everyone.. lol. Soooo, lemme see..... Here's some translations-- Instance 1 (I can only assume he took digs at staff and/or other players, as the content of the offending post has been moved) Translation: kbye Instance 2Translation: You left the game. Cool. You're being a bitch on the way out. Not cool. Banan'd. Instance 3Translation: Ugh.... I've already had to ban one guy and warn another. We all know the rules. I'm going to start passing out bans if you guys don't get your shit together. I mean, really. My good glory, you guys consider these few posts to be intolerably snarky and dickish? How do you live? |
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Post by jcarter on Oct 14, 2013 17:38:15 GMT -5
In both instances you don't know the content of the original posts yet are assured that Nyr is justified. Of course the offending posts have been conveniently scrubbed away; after all if Nyr says it's just a flame or troll the playerbase should just take his word and his 2 cents on it instead of judging it themselves.
By the way, you conveniently ignored my post. Can you answer my question? Do you honestly believe that everyone complaining about Nyr is (quoting you here) "baww staff didn't let me get what i wanted/get away with it and im really thin skinned what dicks"? If this is the case, do you think that every clan staffer lets players get away with what they want then, or do players just magically not seem to complain about them?
I really took a bigger dislike of Nyr when I saw how much effort he put into tracking down players from this board, force-storing their characters, and stripping their karma to 0. I think it's pathetic that someone puts that much time into punishing players rather than making the game a better place, but I'm sure you'll have some reason about how it's completely justified and text-based video games are Serious Business.
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Post by slipshod on Oct 14, 2013 17:45:00 GMT -5
no one can post the worst of it from request answers and messages sent in the game or its a ban you should know that the more you post the more i think you are just looking to get people to out themselves |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 14, 2013 19:25:30 GMT -5
I was under the impression that a few people with bad Nyr experiences had already been banned or outed in one way or another. Trust me, I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble.
All I know is that in my experiences as a moderator or administrator in various gaming communities, from Gmod, to Minecraft, to MUDs, is that there will always be a handful of justifiably banned players that'll trash-talk staff at any opportunity they find. It's like, a law of moderating. It will always happen, no matter how hard you try to be as fair and even-handed, you'll wind up being the asshole power-hungery staff member if you swing the ban hammer. I know I usually don't bother trying to be gentle when I deal with problem players anymore, they can think what they want.
Some communities pick one person to dole out punishments. That guy winds up being the most hated. Some communities don't, and everyone handles stuff as it comes up. They get labeled as having corrupt staff.
The "whatever, it's just a game, stop pretending you're hot shit, it's not srs business" attitude is often indicative of such disgruntled players. I mean... Is it really so backwards to believe that punishing players that break the rules makes the game better? Or is it preferable to let 'em run rampant? Whether or not it makes sense, rules is rules.
I dunno.
I guess it's all just a matter of perspective.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 14, 2013 19:49:18 GMT -5
By the way, you conveniently ignored my post. Can you answer my question? Do you honestly believe that everyone complaining about Nyr is (quoting you here) "baww staff didn't let me get what i wanted/get away with it and im really thin skinned what dicks"? If this is the case, do you think that every clan staffer lets players get away with what they want then, or do players just magically not seem to complain about them? What exactly are you suggesting? It could be, that given Nyr's reputation (as seen on this board) you'll be -far- more likely to hear people openly complain about him than any other staffer. It's much easier, you see. It could be that Nyr is a bit stingier than others with requests from clans he oversees. It could be that Nyr is more realistic than others? I won't go into specifics, but I've wished up for staff to bring the virtual world to life with mixed results on different occasions. Even at times I expected to die, I managed to get away. Other times, I got ganked. It would make sense that different staffers handle these things their own way. It could be that Nyr handles a majority of requests and more people get told "no" by him? It could be any number of things, I guess. "Everyone else hates him though!" is hardly justification for trashing him yourself-- nor is it evidence that he's doing something wrong. (Not to say that's what any of you are doing. I'm just saying the bandwagon is easy to hop on) |
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 14, 2013 19:54:15 GMT -5
The fact that he just bans people in general bothers me. Banning is silly and does NOT work. It's been proven if someone wants to play they will fucking play. The problem is with his ban happy attitude he drives good players away that will never return. That has always been my issue with bans.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 14, 2013 19:55:41 GMT -5
Also of note this board has been around for only a few months and has 180 registered members. Not all are banned players that hate the staff and want to see it burn but I'd wager at least half. That's pretty impressive.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 14, 2013 20:15:56 GMT -5
The fact that he just bans people in general bothers me. Banning is silly and does NOT work. It's been proven if someone wants to play they will fucking play. The problem is with his ban happy attitude he drives good players away that will never return. That has always been my issue with bans. So what? Just let people that bend and break the rules run free and do what they want? Most people that get banned and come back are -much- more careful, meaning they're -much- less likely to do something they're not supposed to. Meaning the ban was at least partially effective. If you think of it as "I want this guy gone forever", then yeah. Bans don't work, but if you look at it like, "I want this guy to learn his goddamn lesson already", you'd be surprised at how well it curbs behaviour-- especially with people that bother coming back because they want to play. I also fail to see how a "ban happy" attitude drives players away. Why does it drive them away? Because they're doing stuff they're not supposed to and don't want to get caught? If anything, I -enjoy- playing and staffing on "ban-happy" servers, no matter the game type. Things tend to run much more smoothly, and the brats that love to rub their nuts all over everything are dealt with in short order-- or don't show up at all, given the reputation. |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 14, 2013 20:18:12 GMT -5
Also of note this board has been around for only a few months and has 180 registered members. Not all are banned players that hate the staff and want to see it burn but I'd wager at least half. That's pretty impressive. I'm not so sure.... Half seems -really- steep. I'd guess no more than twenty of them hate the staff and want to see it burn. I guess we'll never know though, seeing as only six or seven people post with any regularity at all. My bet's on most of those 180 just trying to scrounge up some code seekrits. Or -really- inactive spambots. Or people making multiple accounts. |
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 14, 2013 20:48:01 GMT -5
Ohhh an argument. YAY.
Nope you do this thing called mediation. People in the real world talk to one another when there is a problem. The only comparison I can think of for Arm is a service to customers. Arm is a service to the players. Some don't see it this way and fine, the mud wouldn't exist without players to PLAY the game which to me is a service. When a customer in the real world calls a company/service and complains they have a way of dealing with it, they don't just hang up on the customer or ban them from the service. Even if that service is free they say, "Well I'm sorry that happened to you so let us try and resolve it." This is the attitude to have in my opinion but this is not the attitude you see.
Oh really? In my experience people that get banned are more likely to do whatever the fuck they want because they don't care. I used to not give any fucks and I was banned multiple times for it. The banning did NOT help me, in fact I would say it hurt me because it made me that much more angrier at those involved. If the staff had just taken more time with me and been more patient I probably wouldn't have been so pissed off and kept making new accounts and raising hell wherever I could.
It drives away the good players. I don't want to play a game or use a service where so many people have been banned just for speaking their mind. It reeks of narcissistic nazi bullshit. This is a huge reason I don't play now because of all these complaints I see here. If Arm is doing great on players it is because they are getting a huge influx of new players and that is all, so you have a massive differential in veterans players to new players and get a stale roleplaying environment. I can think of multiple players that I would return to Arm just to get a chance to RP with. (LoD, clegane, WarriorPoet, damiteywarrior)
Good for you. Arm seems to be doing just fine and will be fine in the future no matter how many bans they hand out. The best and brightest have left Arm a long time ago anyway. That is why you see happening now what is happening in game, they need to do something to keep other players from leaving and the ban amnesty was a joke. What is strikingly hilarious is most of the "banned" players left over older staff that also were told to leave. (Bhagharva, Halaster) So now you have a totally new iteration for the most part that doesn't even resemble the old staff yet those players refuse to return because of the wounds of the past are so deep.
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