Jeshin
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 15:41:12 GMT -5
Fun fact
I have never actually looked at the wiki leak (or the code dump). Even after the claims that they were pulled by someone with legitimate access and not hacked.
I did DISCUSS multiple ways the staff could actually salvage plots and NPCs from the wiki dump.
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Post by jcarter on Feb 13, 2019 15:43:11 GMT -5
@qwerty how come you haven't been kicked from staff and banned like anaiah was for violating the staff contract??
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Post by shakes on Feb 13, 2019 15:43:17 GMT -5
And jcarter, you literally designed your Shadowboard forum so that people can individually tailor their level of spoilery. There's a section for code if you want to discuss code. And a whole other section for spoilers related to in-game events.
The way I see it, everything is as it should be! The existence of this forum has driven Arm staff to better themselves and disengage from some previous bad behaviors, and led to the removal of some bad elements.
I mean, seriously, could I hope for any better of an outcome?
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Post by vulcan on Feb 13, 2019 15:45:10 GMT -5
So you're saying your gut said I supported HACKING as a means of getting information and that is your evidence? Then you link to the public threads where I didn't actually support HACKING? He must be of a mind that if you did not loudly and repeatedly condemn the faux hack, that you must be an implicit supporter of it. At least that is the impression I am getting. Since you were neutral you might as well have been the Kevin Mitnick of lame online text games.
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Post by vulcan on Feb 13, 2019 15:50:38 GMT -5
Fun fact I have never actually looked at the wiki leak (or the code dump). Even after the claims that they were pulled by someone with legitimate access and not hacked. I did DISCUSS multiple ways the staff could actually salvage plots and NPCs from the wiki dump. Being realistic here, you being banned probably had nothing at all to do with the faux hack. You probably just rubbed somebody wrong at some point and they petulantly banned you and used this incident as the excuse to do so. Entirely personal and nothing at all to do with the "hack".
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Post by jcarter on Feb 13, 2019 15:53:40 GMT -5
And jcarter, you literally designed your Shadowboard forum so that people can individually tailor their level of spoilery. There's a section for code if you want to discuss code. And a whole other section for spoilers related to in-game events. The way I see it, everything is as it should be! The existence of this forum has driven Arm staff to better themselves and disengage from some previous bad behaviors, and led to the removal of some bad elements. I mean, seriously, could I hope for any better of an outcome? FREEDOM IS NOT FREE SOME GAVE ALL, ALL GAVE SOME
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Post by shakes on Feb 13, 2019 15:59:04 GMT -5
I don't quite get the picture.
Are you saying all those people got fucked over so that I can enjoy not being banned from Arm today for being on the Shadowboard?
I literally know nothing about any of those people, except that Grumble was a serious asshole when I tried the Shadowboard discord and I decided I didn't need to chat in real time with you guys after all.
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Post by jcarter on Feb 13, 2019 16:01:38 GMT -5
I don't quite get the picture. Are you saying all those people got fucked over so that I can enjoy not being banned from Arm today for being on the Shadowboard? yeah that's the long and short of it. also so you could have luxuries like knowing what skills your character guild gets. it's not a particularly subtle cartoon.
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Post by lyse on Feb 13, 2019 16:02:32 GMT -5
This thread has taken a surreal turn.
A guy that calls this “The cheaters board”, whether, staff or not comes in here to spin, do damage control, troll....who knows, does it really make a difference? One thing for sure, he knows how to get under people’s skin in a gdb type of way. It’s kind of lame but....if someone’s into that more power to them.
Here’s the thing: This very board is a response to the type of shit that goes on in Armageddon. It’s a testament that....you’d probably be better off doing something else besides playing Arm. From the spell lists to maps, those are things that have been passed along from player to player and sometimes STAFF to player for years before this board even existed. How many players have come here with a story or a log of something that staff did to them that makes you wonder who is actually cheating here. There’s been quite a few posters that have posted here and have been told by staff to stop posting here, because those players have said as much.
Just admit, the game leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths and if you go to any forum where GDB censorship can’t be applied, you’d come to the same conclusions: 1) That many people can’t be wrong 2) It’s a rotten game and not in a “it’s a hard, unfair game, it’s supposed to be that way.” but on many levels. If that weren’t true, you’d have a much higher player count and more than a couple of people would be attempting to defend the game.
If you enjoy the game, enjoy the game. The fact that, nobody has been running over here with stories and logs for a while says something. But qwerty and the couple other shills running over here to...bring balance lol, indicates not that much has changed. They’re reminiscent that it’s business as usual. Armageddon has a history of bad. You can’t just scrub that away. Only making the game better can take that away and even then, tough sell because of the bad taste the game has left in people’s mouths.
If your only outlet for the game is this board and the gdb and you don’t like the gdb? Lol....that’s all I have to say about that.
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Jeshin
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 16:03:45 GMT -5
I believe that is a list of confirmed banned players that posted on these boards about their bans and how they were related. Anyway as for my personal ban. I have LONG maintained that when I posted by request tool history I was 100% a legitimate target for being banned. Furthermore, I maintained that if you violated YOUR games specific policies on OptionalRealities you could/would/should be banned. That I had 0 problems with administrators following their own stated policies. I could disagree with those policies but I believe if you have a policy you should follow it consistently. I didn't care that I was banned. I cared the pre-text for my ban and I carried that they might target USERS of my forums who did not have anything to do with anything. EDIT - But I'm a big failure fail pants and don't have active forums anymore
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Post by shakes on Feb 13, 2019 16:10:26 GMT -5
I don't quite get the picture. Are you saying all those people got fucked over so that I can enjoy not being banned from Arm today for being on the Shadowboard? yeah that's the long and short of it. also so you could have luxuries like knowing what skills your character guild gets. it's not a particularly subtle cartoon. Yeah, and it kind of rubbed me the wrong way as an actual veteran. But I get what you're saying. All that shit went into the zeitgeist and the Arm of today actually has skills in the helpfile. And there's a tool they publicize on their GDB which lets you build characters outside the game and see what branches what and where all your skills will be. So it's gone way beyond simply not banning people to actually embracing the culture of openness and transparency in the game. I'd say that you won, Jcarter, if your goal was to change Arm's negative culture. You may not have taken as much ground as you intended, if you had intents at all, but you shifted the culture. And that shift may not be complete. It may continue to shift in ways that a player like myself would consider productive. And it may be partly why the GDB has become such a shrill place of clique-hate. A lot of those who benefited from those bad behaviors and secretive, esoteric knowledge, have seen their power eroded when newbies like myself can just pop over here and learn how shit really works and be twinking at a level on par with their years of experience within a few months.
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Jeshin
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 16:15:47 GMT -5
I might argue some of those changes are not because of these boards but the larger game culture in general. Like MMOs, Single-Player, etc etc. Armageddon does want to retain players. Gaming culture has moved away from the older Arm culture. You are likely to see the pull whether this board existed or not. It's just the inertia of player expectations against the traditionalism of the old way they did things.
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 13, 2019 16:22:43 GMT -5
I don't quite get the picture. Are you saying all those people got fucked over so that I can enjoy not being banned from Arm today for being on the Shadowboard? That's exactly what I'm saying. Stupid noobie. You don't know what it's like to have your accomplishments ripped from you because the witch cabal over you disagreed with your critique. You'll never have your trust destroyed like that. And you can thank us for your ability to play your dinky Dark Sun MUD by our constant resistance to the bullshit. You're welcome. @qwerty you aren't good enough to lick shit off the Byn Sarge's boots, let alone invoke Topk in your ratty argument. I promise you, all this damage control you're doing won't amount to anything in 2 years.
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Post by shakes on Feb 13, 2019 16:40:42 GMT -5
You make it sound like you got sprayed with water hoses and attacked by dogs in the civil rights movement.
But okay. Thanks for making the world better through your sacrifices. I say that with a minimum of snark.
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Post by lyse on Feb 13, 2019 16:44:15 GMT -5
Another thing, before I forget on my way home.
Here’s another thing to consider: While it’s entertaining for some, I guess(?), what qwerty has been doing is an insult to the people that have legitimately been wronged in some way even though it’s all readable right here on this forum. It’s a very condescending and marginalizing way of showing the other side by calling this forum the “cheaters board” and saying everyone that posts here is some kind of power gamer.
Also, shakes....you aren’t a newbie.
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