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Post by shakes on Feb 13, 2019 14:41:35 GMT -5
shakes this is the kind of disingenuous shit we're talking about. jeshin never supported the hacking. qwerty is of course unable to support evidence for this (and won't respond if you ask him to) but will still distort and twist actual events in order to justify staff actions. I think you're reading sinister intent into brevity. I vaguely remember the wiki stuff. I wasn't a big user of this forum then. I eagerly absorbed the code dump (and still refer to my downloaded copy frequently) but wiki stuff wouldn't have appealed to me. Didn't everyone involved pretty much do the right thing? Someone received it and posted it, thinking it was leaked, and then it was discovered that there was personal info in there, and you removed those bits because we're all generally in agreement that doxing is bad. That's my recollection of it. "Staff: You can't have mah secretz!" "Leaker: Got yer secretz! Nyah nyah!" "Staff: Mah secretz! Noo! My old phone number is in that! You bad person!" "Leaker: Fixed. Got yer secretz!" "Staff: Mah secretz! Noo!" It seemed vaguely funny to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 14:42:56 GMT -5
Geezus shit. Give me a few minutes. lol.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 14:44:08 GMT -5
>_> I will legit give you $100 if you can provide a single shred of evidence that I did something that I did not.
Paypal
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You name it buddy.
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Post by vulcan on Feb 13, 2019 14:47:53 GMT -5
I haven't been punished (that I know of) by my participation here and not only does Qwerty know who I play, I have posted who I played in the past here. It's not like the dude is a secret agent infiltrating a terrorist cell. If I was staff on Armageddon, I'd rather read this forum too than Lizzie's Corner, I mean, the GDB. This is where real matters get discussed, real code gets bandied about in a way that's more effective than I'm sure their testers are able to uncover, and despite the vitriol, it's just more honest. I have FAR more issues with the playerbase of Arm than I do with staff. My discussions via the request tool with staff range from brusque and clinical to enthusiastic and entertaining. I've suffered some injustices from some and given the benefit of the doubt with others. Like any organization of people, it's a mixed bag. Not only is it a mixed bag, but sometimes you're going to catch people on a bad day. Some of the things mentioned here that have happened? Yeah, that's bad. I can understandably see why someone would quit the game over it. But I'm not a young guy naïve to the ways of the world. I know there is a difference between individual abuse and systemic abuse. While I see and acknowledge the individual abuse, I don't see a system where only the predators get promoted and then they get allowed to do whatever they want to the prey with no recourse. Why would anyone play such a game? It would self destruct within months. You may be quietly punished. There may be a note in your pfile that says "Posts on those LOSER CHEATER forums, do not trust." And as simple as that, you will mysteriously always be passed over for sponsored roles, not get karma as quickly or at all, etc. I am not saying this is actually the case, but if it is then you'd be SOL to ever know or find out unless you have an inside line with staff because they certainly won't mention it in a karma review to you. |
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Post by ibusoe on Feb 13, 2019 14:51:33 GMT -5
>_> I will legit give you $100 if you can provide a single shred of evidence that I did something that I did not. Paypal Amazon card Google pay You name it buddy.  |
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Post by shakes on Feb 13, 2019 14:53:12 GMT -5
The only way to disprove that would be for me to get accepted in a sponsored role or to be given another karma point, but that hasn't happened anyway. For whatever reason, those things Besides, I posted here a long time back that I played Butcher Brons and I haven't changed accounts so they already knew I was posting on the loser cheater forum.  I accept the game on the level that I get to play. They have reduced what I get to play based on their own fucking with the game mechanics. When they flattened karma from 8 to 3 points I lost a TON of great options. And now that karma has to regenerate over 6 weeks I hardly ever even get to use the 1 point I have. I don't live that long, by nature of my playstyle. I acknowledge there are a lot of SHIT players who have more karma and who repeatedly get sponsored roles for seemingly no reason and that I assume it's because they're in the cool kids club and I'm not. But I can't change that. If some staffer got a handjob at a meet-and-greet 14 years ago and they gave someone some extra karma for it, well, what the fuck am I supposed to do about that? I'm not going to go give them a handjob MYSELF for that point. |
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Post by shakes on Feb 13, 2019 15:05:48 GMT -5
Besides ... what would they gain by quietly punishing me? Why do it quietly at all?
Rathustra could post in the GDB announcements page that they'd banned me for being mixed race, cis male, or a secret Satanist and NOBODY would so much as grumble about it in my defense. He wouldn't face YouTube protest videos, or a negative Joe Rogan interview. Not a one of the people who frequent the GDB would so much as question it and many of them would applaud him for it. I'm not a fan favorite or beloved by the masses. I'm a nobody. The jackbooted foot of his authority could come down on my neck at any time without any repercussions at all and they'd face ZERO backlash. A few ex-players on the Shadowboard would say "See? This proves our point!" but that wouldn't get me access to the game again.
I don't believe I'm being quietly punished simply because they could LOUDLY punish me and nobody would care. They've got all the control. The ACLU isn't standing by to sue on my behalf. In fact, most of the people in real life would simply look at me and say, "You spend HOW much time in a virtual reality text game?"
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Post by jcarter on Feb 13, 2019 15:25:32 GMT -5
Besides ... what would they gain by quietly punishing me? Why do it quietly at all? Rathustra could post in the GDB announcements page that they'd banned me for being mixed race, cis male, or a secret Satanist and NOBODY would so much as grumble about it in my defense. He wouldn't face YouTube protest videos, or a negative Joe Rogan interview. Not a one of the people who frequent the GDB would so much as question it and many of them would applaud him for it. I'm not a fan favorite or beloved by the masses. I'm a nobody. The jackbooted foot of his authority could come down on my neck at any time without any repercussions at all and they'd face ZERO backlash. A few ex-players on the Shadowboard would say "See? This proves our point!" but that wouldn't get me access to the game again. I don't believe I'm being quietly punished simply because they could LOUDLY punish me and nobody would care. They've got all the control. The ACLU isn't standing by to sue on my behalf. In fact, most of the people in real life would simply look at me and say, "You spend HOW much time in a virtual reality text game?" Staff frequently used to ban people who posted here. There are multiple threads about it, and I have PMs over the course of years from people who were threatened with banning if they refused to delete their account. Imo the behavior fell off because it was loudly called out,l across multiple forums and gave a black eye to arm staff. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 15:26:19 GMT -5
Alright. So I found the backup of this. Now. I never said that it was Jeshin who hacked it. In fact, as I said earlier, I dont think it was a hack, but it was portrayed as a hack. As a php injection. True, or not. Whatever. Before that happened. I was a lot less of a troll then I am now and I would say participated greatly in sharing of code information that was wrongly secreted away behind "find out IC", giving newbies significant disadvantage. But ... this changed a 'lot', after the hack. Not due to the revealed info. It was mostly obsolete. Not even due to the fact that someone supposedly hacked it. But because people 'embraced' it. People much like Jeshin. There was a fuckload of people (myself included) who deleted their accounts in protest. If you'll bother to read it. You will see how many. While Jeshin posed as a neutral party. Neutral, neutral, neutral, and yet ... kiiiinda supportive. At least that is how I saw it and that is how it was seen by staff. I welcome you to read through these two links and make your own decision, Faroukel. old.mudconnect.com/SMF/index.php?topic=79738.0armageddonmud.boards.net/thread/730/staff-wiki-docs |
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Post by shakes on Feb 13, 2019 15:31:11 GMT -5
Staff frequently used to ban people who posted here. There are multiple threads about it, and I have PMs over the course of years from people who were threatened with banning if they refused to delete their account. Imo the behavior fell off because it was loudly called out,l across multiple forums and gave a black eye to arm staff. As it should be. I dislike secrecy within hierarchies. |
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 15:32:43 GMT -5
So you're saying your gut said I supported HACKING as a means of getting information and that is your evidence? Then you link to the public threads where I didn't actually support HACKING?
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 15:35:39 GMT -5
You couldn't even cite a specific post you just linked to the threads wholesale?
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Post by faroukel on Feb 13, 2019 15:36:13 GMT -5
Haven't read through it, work comp filters some shit out. But at least the guy tried!
I'm going to assume, that the summary of it all is that Jeshin supported the movement and sharing of information, which could potentially be stretched to supporting hacking in the effort to spread information/reduce misinformation.
But you know what happens when you assume, right.
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Post by jcarter on Feb 13, 2019 15:39:28 GMT -5
lol look at how the worm writhes hypnotically between posts. always avoiding correction, never admitting fault, stretching logic to its thinnest.
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Post by shakes on Feb 13, 2019 15:40:27 GMT -5
I glanced at the thread (for Jeshin's info). "Support" would be a hard line to take, from my brief view.
I've "supported" a lot of shit in my life that turned and went south until it eventually lost my support. And I've supported some other stuff that turned out to be just flat out wrong from the beginning, only I was deceived.
Plus, I'm barely the same guy today as I was yesterday. Today's me wouldn't even be able to stand last year's me. Am I ready to show contempt to someone for a position they took in the past when they don't seem to hold that same position today?
I think hacking someone else's game is bad form. Leaking secrets, while I wouldn't do it personally, seems like more of a prank to me than actual harm. And we all seem to be in agreement that doxing is wrong. So what exactly is the argument here?
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