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Post by jcarter on Sept 4, 2018 7:47:17 GMT -5
First of all. Storytellers posted on their own accord plenty. It's true that they never counterdict each other in public. Is that ... really surprising? I would imagine this is a similar case in any organization with a hierarchy. From political parties, to businesses, to ... whatever else.
As far as imms helping their friends goes, look... I have had multiple people that I was friends with over the years eventually become staff. Even one or two that I introduced to the game in the first place. One of these is even one of my *best* friends to this day (we're 32/33 and starting playing when we were 14), and do you know how many times I asked/he offered to share OOC info, just to have something to talk about? Not ever. Not once. Never, and the same goes for all of the rest of the players I've known who have been staff. You mentioned Barzalene. I knew her when she as a player, have met her in person, and knew her when she at one point was on staff. Just like when other IRL friends of mine were on staff, not people I knew solely through the game, it always just seemed like an unspoken thing that what they were doing as staff wasn't a conversation point. It just seemed like an *extremely* taboo thing to do, and it is incredibly unfortunate for *everyone* who plays the game when trust like this occurs, especially given how small the playerbase is and how serious the IC/OOC line SHOULD BE... *especially* when you're staff.But that's just my experience, you know? I hope it helps explain why, in part, I find the idea that staff members actively interfering OOCly or helping out their friends to be hard to swallow: because, despite knowing a lot of people who've historically been on staff, I've never experienced it much. Then again, it has been a long, long time since I communicated OOCly regularly with Arm players. you guys are talking about a text-based nonprofit video game. not classified information, or a trade secret, or clandestine troop movements. you are talking about a text-based nonprofit video game. doesn't that seem bizarre to liken it to political parties, or express shock at the idea that someone would talk to someone else about certain elements of the video game? it's almost cult-like how normalized it has become. |
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Post by mehtastic on Sept 4, 2018 8:30:20 GMT -5
It's not only bizarre, it's the primary attitude that turned Armageddon into a DMV simulator.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 9:14:42 GMT -5
I dont really know what to tell you, Jcarter. Are you implying that some people who play, or staff on Arm take things a lot more serious and close to heart then some 20+ year old text game should ever require?
Well. Yeah. Shrug. It's not good. It's not bad. It's not even strange, or normal, since in everything mud related, you can chalk it all off to 'strange'. It's a funny observation, but not really conducive to anything relevant. I can say the same about these forums. There are people here who didnt play for 5+ years and they're still here exercising their grudges. That's also weird. But it doesnt particularly mean anything that's worth a major exploration. It is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 9:22:30 GMT -5
mehtastic all of it seems to be pretty basic shit. Storms and tumor-rats being spawned in response to the earthquakes. echoes of shit falling and the ground quaking either subtly or immensely. They could be doing a LOT more with it, but they just aren't. I wanna see Tek's tower fall over or something.
They can be doing a LOT more with 'what'? You dont even know wth is going on. Are you asking for more railroaded fireworks?
This community, heh. You do things one way, they bitch it wasnt done another. You do things in a similar way they wanted it done, they're still bitching. This time it's not even clear what they're bitching about, just that whatever that's being done is no good.
Makes me wonder who was right before. Prior, when they had some new content to introduce. They just introduced it. No events behind it. Figure it out how you like, playerbase. Now they're trying to do it with more playerbase involvement, but heh, you guys are still bitching. You didnt even experience anything, nothing really even happened particular. And you've already doomed it all. It devalues the power of negative review, when you write one out before you even got to experience the service/see the movie/try the restaurant/participate in the event.
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Post by jcarter on Sept 4, 2018 11:18:13 GMT -5
Well. Yeah. Shrug. It's not good. It's not bad. It's not even strange, or normal, since in everything mud related, you can chalk it all off to 'strange'. It's a funny observation, but not really conducive to anything relevant. I can say the same about these forums. Lol @ being so brainwashed about it you say a whole lot of nothing followed by "and look over there at that thing!" |
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Post by jcarter on Sept 4, 2018 11:19:14 GMT -5
mehtastic all of it seems to be pretty basic shit. Storms and tumor-rats being spawned in response to the earthquakes. echoes of shit falling and the ground quaking either subtly or immensely. They could be doing a LOT more with it, but they just aren't. I wanna see Tek's tower fall over or something. They can be doing a LOT more with 'what'? You dont even know wth is going on. Are you asking for more railroaded fireworks?
This community, heh. You do things one way, they bitch it wasnt done another. You do things in a similar way they wanted it done, they're still bitching. This time it's not even clear what they're bitching about, just that whatever that's being done is no good.
Makes me wonder who was right before. Prior, when they had some new content to introduce. They just introduced it. No events behind it. Figure it out how you like, playerbase. Now they're trying to do it with more playerbase involvement, but heh, you guys are still bitching. You didnt even experience anything, nothing really even happened particular. And you've already doomed it all. It devalues the power of negative review, when you write one out before you even got to experience the service/see the movie/try the restaurant/participate in the event.
It's almost as if posters have different opinions and this website isn't a hivemind. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 11:29:25 GMT -5
Well. Yeah. Shrug. It's not good. It's not bad. It's not even strange, or normal, since in everything mud related, you can chalk it all off to 'strange'. It's a funny observation, but not really conducive to anything relevant. I can say the same about these forums. Lol @ being so brainwashed about it you say a whole lot of nothing followed by "and look over there at that thing!" Your post was mostly a non-issue. My comment was a bunch of non-issue. Your observation of my comment points it out as a non-issue and with this post, I agree with that observation. |
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Post by jcarter on Sept 4, 2018 12:50:31 GMT -5
Lol @ being so brainwashed about it you say a whole lot of nothing followed by "and look over there at that thing!" Your post was mostly a non-issue. My comment was a bunch of non-issue. Your observation of my comment points it out as a non-issue and with this post, I agree with that observation. I'm not sure how Arm's bizarre expectations and toxic ingrained culture is a 'non-issue'. Just because you've normalized it from being around it so much and are unable to reconcile with living in a world where talking about topics like 'elves start with +5 to slashing weapons' is not a controversial thing which warrants punishment doesn't mean it's a 'non-issue'. You chose to respond to those posts. You could have ignored them, but you chose not to, and your reaction was to downplay the utter weirdness of it, continue to defend the culture for whatever reason, and try to deflect it with Whataboutism. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 13:17:02 GMT -5
Because it is a non-issue. Mud communities. Or Game communities are toxic. All of them. Check Mudconnect? Check WoW forums? Check these forums. There are degrees. There are also reasons why playing the game and 'never' interacting on the forums is good for your sanity. It's a curious aspect of internet gaming community, but it's not limited to Armageddon. When I read your statements, I took them as you using this aspect of reality to distinguish Armageddon specifically, and my response to it could've been summarized to a singular, "Meh."
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Post by mehtastic on Sept 4, 2018 13:18:50 GMT -5
"It's a non-issue because it's a non-issue. Also, you want to talk about whataboutism? What about these other forums over there." -qwerty
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Post by jcarter on Sept 4, 2018 14:18:35 GMT -5
Because it is a non-issue. [unnecessary whataboutism that has nothing to do with discussion] I took them as you using this aspect of reality to distinguish Armageddon specifically, and my response to it could've been summarized to a singular, "Meh." No I think it's an issue when video game staff resort to infiltrating websites that criticize them and talk about their video game in content deemed acceptable by 99.9% of communities so that they can punish them. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 14:32:57 GMT -5
Because it is a non-issue. [unnecessary whataboutism that has nothing to do with discussion] I took them as you using this aspect of reality to distinguish Armageddon specifically, and my response to it could've been summarized to a singular, "Meh." No I think it's an issue when video game staff resort to infiltrating websites that criticize them and talk about their video game in content deemed acceptable by 99.9% of communities so that they can punish them.
That is indeed an issue. But it has nothing to do with ... anything else said in this thread? How did this went from group dynamics to conspiracy theories?
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Post by jcarter on Sept 4, 2018 14:58:07 GMT -5
No I think it's an issue when video game staff resort to infiltrating websites that criticize them and talk about their video game in content deemed acceptable by 99.9% of communities so that they can punish them. That is indeed an issue. But it has nothing to do with ... anything else said in this thread? How did this went from group dynamics to conspiracy theories?
A post ago you said staff behavior and culture was a non issue. Now it is...but suddenly you're concerned its not relevant on page 9 of a thread that went off the rails on page 4. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 15:03:42 GMT -5
I'm not talking about thread topics, or non-topic. That thread is so chaotic, I dont even recall what the OP is. But we're having a conversation. Talking about toxicity of community and your commentary about IC/OOC borderline and how serious some people take the game. I was responding to that. Then out of nowhere, "Staff are infiltrating websites to punish people". A little bit of a turnaround. I'd be curious if you clarified what you meant so it's discussion worthy. Otherwise all I can do for you is shrug.
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Post by jcarter on Sept 4, 2018 15:10:23 GMT -5
I'm not talking about thread topics, or non-topic. That thread is so chaotic, I dont even recall what the OP is. But we're having a conversation. Talking about toxicity of community and your commentary about IC/OOC borderline and how serious some people take the game. I was responding to that. Then out of nowhere, "Staff are infiltrating websites to punish people". A little bit of a turnaround. I'd be curious if you clarified what you meant so it's discussion worthy. Otherwise all I can do for you is shrug. Staff are shapers of the community, and set the seriousness of boundaries for everyone through their enforcement and rules. Players didn't just have the melodramtic views which I quoted spring to life from nowhere. It occurred through enforcement and running off those who disagreed with it by making disagreement of it an unpleasant experience. These are not disconnected concepts. |
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