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Post by sirra on Mar 13, 2018 15:56:24 GMT -5
There should be a whole thread about Clegane's characters. I followed him around like a lost puppy whenever I found out he was playing somewhere I immediately made a PC to try and join his clan. A few of my memories as follows: -Warlord tor obviously. I made a tor character and joined and then subsequently got wrecked by Sandman because I attacked him in the desert. I was such a loser. -Kuraci spice addict. He had a kuraci for a little while if I remember, this is the one instance I never made a PC to play with him because I couldn't stand Kurac as a clan back then. -Borsail cripple. He had a borsail cripple noble that literally never left his estate. I played his dwarven slave and it was such a blast. I basically delivered his letters to other nobles and shit all over the city. I played it very downtrodden and broken, I bought a powdered pig and wore it, basically a dwarf with the focus to serve and die in borsail and wanted to be a human his whole life. really fond memories of playing this character and I think he was force retired by the staff because of the slave thing back then, I'm not 100% sure but I think I was one of the last sponsored slave roles. -Lius his kadian. I saw him but actually never joined Kadius kind of the same with Kurac I hated the clan back then and the yuppie shit it represented. Was his Borsail cripple the one who boned Pearl? I started playing very sporadically from 1999 onwards, but I vaguely recall having a character in the Wyverns circa 2001ish. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 22:06:38 GMT -5
Pretty sure it was Vedelarin Borsail, and yeah, he helped bankroll the Atrium at its onset and funded a group of explorers who drove around a desert red wagon. I forget the name of the explorer group.
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Post by Amos's Boots on Mar 14, 2018 11:17:29 GMT -5
They are already releasing code tweaks (and removing tidbits of code) without stating that they are doing so on the main armageddon webpage.
Nice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 13:18:14 GMT -5
There was a post by Rathustra about how new players had been accrued - and in the same post, he talked about one of those new players becoming an imm.
If you’re putting people onto staff who have played the game for less than three months, then it is *your fault* and *your fault only* when information like this is leaked.
I imagine there are some people on staff blaming the shadow boards for this.
No, their recklessness with who they imm - just like their recklessness (looking at you adhira, ness) with allowing Nyr to run amuck for too fucking long - is why they now feel compelled to alter code.
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Post by shakes on Mar 14, 2018 13:29:35 GMT -5
So they're going to hastily modify code because code got leaked?
That's about the worst possible reason to hastily modify code. I can't imagine the problems you'd introduce doing that.
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Post by Amos's Boots on Mar 14, 2018 17:29:40 GMT -5
So they're going to hastily modify code because code got leaked? That's about the worst possible reason to hastily modify code. I can't imagine the problems you'd introduce doing that. One of the most obvious problems so far is the constant crashing for some unexplained reason. Someone's either found a quirk in the code caused by some removals/edits, or there's an idiot on staff that's responsible. |
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 14, 2018 17:48:39 GMT -5
They should just close the game down. They're clearly not cut out for this.
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Post by shakes on Mar 14, 2018 18:17:55 GMT -5
There's another mud I play where they lost their coder about 3 to 4 years ago. They can only make minor, minor mods now. But they're still ticking along and far more stable than Arm.
Mostly because they have the sense not to fuck with something they don't understand.
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Post by Jeshin on Mar 14, 2018 18:43:41 GMT -5
So I've been pretty quiet on this whole thing. I actually pulled the code when it was released and asked a coder who would be able to do so verify that it was indeed Armcode. Shocker it was or it appeared to be. At the time we discussed the release method and we wondered why it was released in raw format?
Did you release it as straight text instead of a more functional/usable github format for a specific reason? Was it just easier? That was how you got it? You wanted to discuss the code but not enable easy use of it by the public? I'm a coding newbie of the lowest order so I don't actually understand the basic reasons one might have for this or that release method and since the code is no longer up I'd ask.
PS - To Nergal or any staff who might be reading and want to take a crack at me again on TMC for condoning illegal blah blah blah. I deleted the code after I verified it was real impart because that was all I cared about but also because in its current state it's more or less unusable to the average person that doesn't want to put time into reconstructing it to be run.
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 14, 2018 18:47:28 GMT -5
So I've been pretty quiet on this whole thing. I actually pulled the code when it was released and asked a coder who would be able to do so verify that it was indeed Armcode. Shocker it was or it appeared to be. At the time we discussed the release method and we wondered why it was released in raw format? Did you release it as straight text instead of a more functional/usable github format for a specific reason? Was it just easier? That was how you got it? You wanted to discuss the code but not enable easy use of it by the public? I'm a coding newbie of the lowest order so I don't actually understand the basic reasons one might have for this or that release method and since the code is no longer up I'd ask. PS - To Noted Liar Nergal or any staff who might be reading and want to take a crack at me again on TMC for condoning illegal blah blah blah. I deleted the code after I verified it was real impart because that was all I cared about but also because in its current state it's more or less unusable to the average person that doesn't want to put time into reconstructing it to be run. I released it in the format I got it in. |
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Post by delerak on Mar 14, 2018 18:48:24 GMT -5
I don't think there's any legal issues being brought up by any sane people. You know, DIKU and all.
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Post by delerak on Mar 14, 2018 18:50:20 GMT -5
Then again mud people in my experience aren't the most sane rational or logical people. I had quite the run ins over my years. IE: Case, nessalin, kite, daerodon, etc etc.
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Post by Jeshin on Mar 14, 2018 18:50:21 GMT -5
Thanks!
I figured that would be the case and it's a shame the staff aren't seizing an opportunity to respond in a surprising manner to this incident. Some MUD developers have been shifting away from protecting their "secret sauce" game code and perhaps making it open source. This is impart to allow public bugfixing and the like a la Evennia but also once it's out it's out. It doesn't benefit the game or the staff to try and be secretive anymore. Would have been way easier to put on a smile fake or otherwise and be like well we didn't plan on it but going forward we're going to be doing more open source development with items, areas, etc excluded.
EDIT - I don't think there is a illegal issue either but if you wander over to TMC you'll see that Nergal basically tried to drag me through the MUD during the last "big dump" even though I didn't release it, own the site it was released on, or ask for it to be released. It was also when I was "officially" banned years after quitting, very publicly.
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 14, 2018 19:22:34 GMT -5
Thanks! I figured that would be the case and it's a shame the staff aren't seizing an opportunity to respond in a surprising manner to this incident. Some MUD developers have been shifting away from protecting their "secret sauce" game code and perhaps making it open source. This is impart to allow public bugfixing and the like a la Evennia but also once it's out it's out. It doesn't benefit the game or the staff to try and be secretive anymore. Would have been way easier to put on a smile fake or otherwise and be like well we didn't plan on it but going forward we're going to be doing more open source development with items, areas, etc excluded. EDIT - I don't think there is a illegal issue either but if you wander over to TMC you'll see that Noted Liar Nergal basically tried to drag me through the MUD during the last "big dump" even though I didn't release it, own the site it was released on, or ask for it to be released. It was also when I was "officially" banned years after quitting, very publicly. If staff just open sourced their code then vets and staff avatars wouldn't be able to hold their supreme knowledge of the code over newbies' heads. The group of players that only give a shit about making the strongest character would also learn how to do exactly that, do what they need to do faster, and focus more on roleplaying. But instead, they decided that things needed to be a bit more complicated |
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Post by sirra on Mar 15, 2018 3:57:58 GMT -5
The weird thing is that if Armageddon had been more transparent, not just about the usual things that you should be transparent about (like ethics and staffing), but about the code, their playerbase would probably be twice as big as a minimum by now.
So many people have given up on the game because of how opaque and arbitrary it seems. Those that stay are 99% of the time, those that manage to get the kind of help from other people OOCly, that is technically against the game rules.
The even greater tragedy of it is that people would be better RPers and spend more time RPing, if they weren't fixated on the sphinx-like nature of the game's mechanics.
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