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Post by OT on Mar 14, 2016 10:17:20 GMT -5
I'm torn between what's worse: a game where rampant favoritism allows players to become more succesful than their actions warrant, or the current situation where nothing's going on in the game. I feel like things at least happened back in the days of Sanvean and Halaster. Armageddon is a depressing snoozefest now, completely drained of any sort of ambition and activity after years of staff rejecting and kiboshing everything.
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Post by Jeshin on Mar 14, 2016 10:31:26 GMT -5
Senior Crafter Ita of Salarri (and also an adopted circle bard) was able to get a slave after years of play. I forget if it was a guard or if it was like a fluff thing, but she was essentially the tippy toppest of what a non-family member of Salarr could be within the crafting circles. She was later demoted for "inactivity" or something. She did vanish for lengthy periods of time but such is RL, she also made the war spear for Salarr I believe.
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Post by jcarter on Mar 14, 2016 12:47:37 GMT -5
blatant favoritism on an OOC level, but why did people hate pearl on an IC level? part of it was ICly she was a house aide for the majority of her career with way more influence than an aide who got kicked out of a noble house then adopted by another should have rightfully had. this was in a time where kurac would pkill recruits instead of just kicking them out. yet a house aide with years of sensitive information was allowed to leave tor and go work for borsail. like other people said, pearl got a lot of things handed to her and a lot of rules bent for her, and it was all for vanity work. house terash was boring and uninteresting to a majority of the playerbase yet, as you can see in the wikileaks, received a shit ton of support and documentation from staff. everything pearl achieved was only possible because of staff favoritism and IC customs being bent around her. |
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Post by grumble on Mar 14, 2016 13:12:19 GMT -5
Well, that's depressing. I'm not naming names but I've seen characters receiving a similar level of influence for similar reasons. And possibly some favoritism, and forgiveness for things that would have shat up anyone else's account notes... and I've seen similar behavior in clans, where it just seems utterly rediculous and like, wtf? Aides have a much more sensitive position than shitty mercs, so why does it seem like it's easier for them to move between positions the way they do? It just strikes me as bad, and taking a softer form of favoritism for certain players and positions is still favoritism. I can understand that staff have plots they're trying to run so they have essential characters, but damn, I mean, why can't they, like we as players, just, let go of control and let things play out how they play out?
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Post by Jeshin on Mar 14, 2016 13:41:36 GMT -5
Some aide transition is allowed. For example when I played Wilem of Oash I was Lord Ark's aide. Well the player of Ark ended up falling off the face of the planet and the next Oash showed up. I was informed I was no his aide but that he could still call upon me to a certain extent because Ark hadn't been stored. I was permitted to leave the House if I wanted.
That's an example of the OOC reality of sponsored role turnover allowing aides to get out of their life oath positions so that new sponsored roles aren't forced to take on other peoples hiring choices. I mean I was executed by a Blue Robe shortly thereafter but they did let me get out scott free. Wilem's primary love interest was the same way she was an Oashi aide whose noble stored or died and she was released from the House and joined the Arm of the Dragon because she had no direct boss and they hadn't filled the role for months.
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Post by grumble on Mar 14, 2016 14:50:46 GMT -5
I suppose that does make sense, I'm not taking the bait and going into specifics, but I disagree on some things, but I can see your point about the OOC reality of the situation... however, shitty mercs don't even have life oaths and often you find yourself kicking yourself for signing up for a clan at a bad time, because for some reason some players won't accept your IC quirks, or OOC quirks, and instead of saying to themselves, hey, you know, maybe I should do this thing for the sake of the fact that OOCly, this player isn't having fun anymore, instead of what seems to happen when certain characters are in those positions of power. I understand IC is IC and thus seperate, but like someone else said, I thought people play games to have fun. In the end, a character should not be a cardboard cutout incapable of a little flexibility on reasonable issues, it's not a robot that moves about with simple if/then checks, it's supposed to be a living thing that interacts, and we as players could stand to respect the stories other players work on a little more.
EDIT: Edited to add, staff seems to be working on it, but is still a long way off from respecting the stories their players work on, all of them, not just the ones they like.
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Post by someguy on Mar 15, 2016 5:04:09 GMT -5
One of the best merchants in recent years was (is?) an elf who may still be playing, but I don't think he's even a merchant guild.
Anyone whose played in Tuluk, Allanak or the Rinth in the past 2 years would know who I'm talking about.
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Post by grumble on Mar 15, 2016 7:38:03 GMT -5
OMG, you better not be talking about my elven merchant, he dead foo, but it was a wild run... WILD.. run. shame though, how he died, the nobility and Templars were convinced he was a nilazi, and while might have worshipped nilaz, he was no void mage.
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Post by grumble on Mar 15, 2016 7:39:43 GMT -5
OH, there was that c-elf merchant with that Tuluki tribe! I saw him once, never got to know him, always felt bad about that.
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Post by grumble on Mar 15, 2016 7:47:51 GMT -5
But yeh, without revealing too much, I played a c-elf merchant, a stuttering, skirt-wearing whore who was about as needy as a breed, who found himself in tuluk, the rinth, allanak, but mostly red storm.
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Post by grumble on Mar 15, 2016 7:49:05 GMT -5
Whatever, I didn't play the best, I played THE WORST. And I grew to love it.
EDIT: Who was that Tuluki elf though? He was ancient, and respected... by the time I played in Tuluk he was gone.
EDIT EDIT: Also, that's a failing on my part to believe anyone could possibly be talking about MY elven merchant... such vanity, no.
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Post by someguy on Mar 15, 2016 8:26:59 GMT -5
EDIT: Who was that Tuluki elf though? He was ancient, and respected... by the time I played in Tuluk he was gone. He was (is?) a fence. Like I said I don't think his guild was coded merchant. I just know he sold everything. |
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Post by jcarter on Mar 15, 2016 12:01:32 GMT -5
Jeshin one or two things, sure. but Pearl got multiple benefits that didn't fit the IC world, while other players got nothing. her character broke just about all the in game customs -- she regularly hung out and was friends with Nilazi and regular mages alike, undergoing 'treatment' so she didn't have to update her desc and could maintain a f-me appearance. she was a senior aide to a red robe, then to Tor, then to Borsail, then back to working for a blue-robe. she had a coded shop opened for her outfitted with NPCs. she had the Atrium opened, etc. she got rezzed even in the face of the stated policy when she was murdered in the middle of a tavern, whereas players who were killed due to obvious bugs didn't because whoops it'd be too jarring. this is all happening in a game where players are punished if they backstab a rat, and get negative notes for not displaying the proper fear of mages. players have put in more risk, work, and danger to their characters and received not even a fraction of what pearl got. yet here's a mediocre player with an f-me hanging around special apped characters, at least one of which is confirmed as a staff avatar, receiving an unprecedented amount of coded and IC support. seeing people try to put pearl on a pedestal she didn't deserve really reaffirms why the game is so fucked up. if people think my narrative is questionable or that i'm embellishing, feel free to go look up the character's bio in the wikileaks drop.
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Post by punished ppurg on Mar 15, 2016 14:46:19 GMT -5
The character's bio, written by her player-cum-staff member (which explains why it's one of the longest pages on the staff wiki), which actually I've heard is filled with a myriad of gracious statements not close to the actual truth.
If staff pets were a guild, Pearl would be the best of them. I tried my time in the Atrium, and it was disgusting. The legacy of that sickening amount of tressy f-me untouchable bullshit remains through the Atrium.
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Post by grumble on Mar 15, 2016 15:08:25 GMT -5
EDIT: Who was that Tuluki elf though? He was ancient, and respected... by the time I played in Tuluk he was gone. He was (is?) a fence. Like I said I don't think his guild was coded merchant. I just know he sold everything. OH! That guy! Fuck all, how could I forget to mention him, he was AMAZING, and YEAH, he was badass. Or may be, if he's still alive. Fucking notorious. |
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