shik
staff puppet account
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Post by shik on Feb 27, 2016 20:45:43 GMT -5
I'm a long-time lurker and first-time thread-starter. After reading most of what everyone has posted here I have some vague ideas about what pushed people here: the GDB, staff heavy-handedness, the request tool, and so on and so forth...
What I'm really looking for are stories! Without getting too specific, what brought you here?
For me, it was years of playing the same kind of characters and not really getting anywhere with them. More of a player problem than a staff problem, but then again I never got picked for a sponsored role either.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Feb 27, 2016 21:36:04 GMT -5
To post memes and want to die.
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Jeshin
GDB Superstar
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 27, 2016 21:47:39 GMT -5
I was a long time member before switching to Jeshin as my handle and outing myself. I knew through personal experience that...
1) AIM/Skype information sharing occurred.
2) Basic information in Zalanthas was Find Out IC but it could really make a difference to character being LOLNEWBIE versus believable member of the world.
3) MUDs are games. Like MTG, Warhammer 40K, WoW, League, whatever. People want to congregate and talk about the games. I mean look at APMs and staff meetups. According to people who have read the wiki those were the most detailed sections. People just want to talk about things they find fun. Or in some cases unfair and unfun.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 27, 2016 21:58:35 GMT -5
I was on staff the first time I quit. I realized due to the massive disconnect between most of the staff and the playerbase, that the game was just going to eventually death spiral. When it was confirmed for me this was the view from the top, I gave up, as it was only a matter of time before the clan-staffers in the "Fuck player input" culture squeezed out the "Players want actions to have importance to them" minority. I am frankly amazed at how slow a spiral it turned out to be.
I tried playing again (years later) and got pissed off at watching staff murder instance after instance of player-driven activity. The biggest example of which being Nyr's changing of the Assassin and Thief License system in Tuluk to something "streamlined" into a pile of shit.
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Post by topkekm8s on Feb 28, 2016 0:48:19 GMT -5
i dont facebook
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mood
Displaced Tuluki
JOHN DARNIELLE #1 FANZONE
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Post by mood on Feb 28, 2016 2:17:48 GMT -5
I got banned for shitposting on the GDB so I have to do it here
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delerak
GDB Superstar
PK'ed by jcarter
"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
Posts: 1,670
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Post by delerak on Feb 28, 2016 3:28:17 GMT -5
I am the second in command of a ragtag band of outlaws who gather here to discuss a collective strategic platform to attack our enemies, disrupt their way of life and ridicule them for the assholes they are for taking a game too serious.
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bastilleangel
Clueless newb
Wielding the Power of Love and Investigation Since 2013
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Post by bastilleangel on Mar 1, 2016 1:37:20 GMT -5
Partial answer: See, you say this, but it's BS. Why do you even post something like that? Do you know this from experience? From bitter experience, unfortunately.  Over multiple characters and multiple years. And not just me, either; I've had a ringside seat for something like half-a-dozen other, similar debacles. I won't actually go so far as to say "do nothing", but rather "do as you're told, within limited-to-very-limited parameters". Let me hasten to add, I hit the jackpot with my very first character in terms of staff and, having nothing to compare it to, thought that was the norm at Arm. Our correspondence was downright warm; they explained to me concepts such as the larger virtual world and why that had to be taken into account (I'd never played in any text-based game before Arm, so that took some getting used to); I actually looked forward to animations because they were clever, interesting, and best of all, internally consistent (the same clan NPCs had the same personality week to week, enough so that you could "ask Dad for a yes when Mom told you no" and in general pit them against each other). So, I know it's possible to have staff like this. It made my eventual collision with Nyr all the more jarring, because I blithely sailed into interactions with the same "We're all trying to make the best story possible!" mentality coming off that first character, and for several indies afterward. And even then, for something like two years I was sure I must be misinterpreting the feedback that I was getting, or that I wasn't being clear enough, or that the issue was garbled communication on my end. I'm a very loyal person, and it was a slow, hard dying of trust and commitment that took close to another eight years to finally hit the point of heartbreak.  If AthasMUD gets off the ground, I'll feel a giddy obligation to lend it the best rp I can muster. I'm currently taking a hard look at my RL responsibilities, and weighing what other sorts of contributions are sustainable. Thanks for starting this thread, Shik. =) |
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Post by RogueRougeRanger on Mar 1, 2016 10:37:40 GMT -5
So. I no longer play Armageddon. I haven’t quit – I just don’t have any interest in playing, which is very unusual for me going back years. The last straw for my interest was when I was told OOC’ly that my templar Htaniya had to cancel her bounty on Tuluki tattoos because it might lead to killing Tuluki PCs. So I stored her in November 2014, as soon as I could without reneging on my RPT obligations (which were sizeable as it turned out), and I haven’t had a taste for playing since. I’m coming out now on the Shadow Board after having been encouraged by friends to share my story, after hearing about Kronibas’s coming out, and now finally after the recent announcement that Tuluk is being removed from the game. It turns out my fun little Tuluki bounties were unceremoniously squelched for exactly nothing, because Tuluk will soon have zero PCs. And that’s emblematic of what Armageddon has become for me: squelched player efforts for zero gain. There are no true IC politics and there’s certainly no collaborative effort from the staff to world-build with the players. It’s sad to lose what feels like an old friend, but despite all my efforts to convince myself otherwise, there’s nothing that will turn the game around and this Tuluk debacle is further evidence of the sad decline. |
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drunkendwarf
Displaced Tuluki
SUCK IT, NYR AND ADHIRA
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Post by drunkendwarf on Mar 1, 2016 13:12:30 GMT -5
Are you fucking kidding me? They told you to stop because it might lead to PC's getting killed (not to mention a bunch of roleplay on each side and who knows..maybe an actual war)? God forbid!
I quit after staff interactions such as this gem:
A staff member sends:
"My screen must be broke. I didn't see any wishing before you killed that last person."
You send this message to the staff:
"I wished up about summoning her maybe 10 minutes ago. Figured I'd already have immortals watching."
A staff member sends:
"Summoning isn't the same as killing. Please don't assume. You need to wish up before you whack someone."
You send this message to the staff:
"if that wasn't the case, I'm sorry."
A staff member sends:
"I realize that you can't alway know beforehand. That being said, I'd like to see a report. I'm very concerned with your recent kill rate."
You send this message to the staff:
"I haven't killed a PC since 8/13, that I'm aware of."
(this happened like september 12th)
You send this message to the staff:
"But I always send a report when I do pkill. One will be coming."
You send this message to the staff:
"<redacted> was the last PC I directly killed, and I sent in a report about that on 8/13. I've never been informed I have a maximum number of PC's I can kill
in a certain duration, nor did I think one or so a month was excessive."
A staff member sends:
"Heh. The next time you don't wish up before killing someone this will be a very different conversation. "
You send this message to the staff:
"What staff is this please?"
A staff member sends:
"Nechomacus"
This was on a character that averaged LESS than one pkill a month. And with this particular pkill, I gave that character about 10 chances for it NOT to end in death. In fact, someone else showed up halfway through the encounter and lived without so much as a scratch.
I had 7 karma at one point and at no point did I feel LESS trusted by staff than with this particular character. I was ultimately barred from "interacting with any PC's anywhere near Tuluk without wishing up AND receiving permission ahead of time". I get docked karma for "lack of communication" (I sent in a report any time I did anything that warranted it). It puts me below the karma limit for the character I'm currently playing - but I'm being told they're graciously not force storing my character. I respond and say I'm taking an indefinite break from the mud and within minutes Adhira has force stored my character and it's stated that since I declined to show them during my "probationary period" with this character I no longer had the karma for (first I had ever heard I was in a probationary period) that I'm deserving enough to keep my character - they were taking her away from me.
I was helping drive plots. I had a lot of fun things going on. I was helping to supply the game with a villain. But ultimately I wasn't doing it within the confines of staff's little sandbox and I wasn't staff's little pet.
Fucking ridiculous. Staff's job should be to set up the world then have it react and evolve around the actions of the characters. Not force it to remain stagnant and fit into their little sandbox.
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delerak
GDB Superstar
PK'ed by jcarter
"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
Posts: 1,670
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Post by delerak on Mar 1, 2016 13:27:42 GMT -5
lol. I love logs like that one you posted. I've had those kinds of situations and my interactions went something like this.
staff A appears before you.
staff A threatens and tries to intimidate you.
Me: "Go fuck yourself."
Staff B appears before you.
Staff B threatens and tries to intimidate you.
"You can fuck off too."
Staff A and B go into a tirade about how many "chances" I've had on the game and say I'm banned.
I proceed to multiplay for the next few years just to spite these assholes.
Like complete and total aggression. I've never had an ounce of civility for people trying to intimidate or threaten me.
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Deleted
Deleted Member
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 13:37:51 GMT -5
Huh. I never knew wishing before a PK was a thing, much less a requirement. And I've seen someone accidentally kill their party with magic - a lot more OOC than your PKing heh.
Maybe that's why I don't get karma though. I never send reports when I'm playing indie or in an organization.
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drunkendwarf
Displaced Tuluki
SUCK IT, NYR AND ADHIRA
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Post by drunkendwarf on Mar 1, 2016 13:43:05 GMT -5
Playing high karma characters is one of the worst things you can do on that mud. Stick to no name indie mundanes. You'll have a LOT more fun. And yeah...don't send in staff reports. Don't communicate with staff. Minimize any and all contact with staff. Just don't expect your character to change the world in any way...they won't. But at least you won't get your hopes up that they might. That seems to be the only way to have fun on that mud anymore.
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jesantu
Displaced Tuluki
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Post by jesantu on Mar 1, 2016 14:13:16 GMT -5
Ho
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shit!
Is nechomacus still on staff? if current imms aren't embarrassed having that one leaked, then they just don't get it. that's one of the best examples of bad management i've seen on this board ever (and there's plenty examples to choose from).
Wow! I'm really speechless.
wtf does 'heh' even mean you sarcastic little troll? if one of your players said something like that you'd ban them in an instant. so much for leading by example. and 'we'll be having a different conversation'? What are you, the captain of the football team? This is a goddamn game and your VOLUNTEER purpose is to help facilitate players. If you think someone may be overstepping their grounds with pkills why not talk to them like a mentor....like a LEADER rather than a predictable condescending prick?
This is another shining example of the nessalinyrurinemoosealia complex. You almost have to wonder if there's a factory out there somewhere producing these kind of personality types.
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delerak
GDB Superstar
PK'ed by jcarter
"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
Posts: 1,670
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Post by delerak on Mar 1, 2016 14:35:04 GMT -5
lol, they don't give a shit.
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Over multiple characters and multiple years. And not just me, either; I've had a ringside seat for something like half-a-dozen other, similar debacles. I won't actually go so far as to say "do nothing", but rather "do as you're told, within limited-to-very-limited parameters".
