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Post by legendary on Feb 25, 2016 20:47:52 GMT -5
My latest dive into the Armageddon gossip circles tend to agree with you. A li'l Nyr in the making? |
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Post by jesantu on Feb 25, 2016 21:15:25 GMT -5
My latest dive into the Armageddon gossip circles tend to agree with you. A li'l Nyr in the making? There are definitely some very striking resemblances between nyr and the ol urinemoose. Key qualities making them so similar I might have a hard time discerning one from another include general pettiness, smallness of character, overly eager to say no to players, a lack of creativity, and a desire to belittle and berate others due to jealousy and inferiority complex. |
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 27, 2016 5:33:14 GMT -5
Was waiting 72 hours hoping for an answer to my question, no such luck. Thus in response to multiple requests the final exchange between myself and Armageddon staff. imgur.com/a/nIDXW |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Feb 27, 2016 7:43:05 GMT -5
tl;dr
you didnt panic and sacrifice your firstborn to quell and silence the shadowboards so now we dont like you or your community
fuck you jeshin for idly sitting by and commenting on the data leak you didnt even shed a single tear
and how dare you associate yourself with a chunk of the rpi playerbase while promoting your rpi community those guys are the enemy
This is it, Jeshin. This is now North Korea and you've been arrested and exiled for not crying at Kim Jong's funeral.
How does it feel?
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Post by jcarter on Feb 27, 2016 8:12:55 GMT -5
It says a lot that people talking on a separate, easily ignorable forum with no ties to Arm are thought of as a group of "crusaders" and that staff like nergal literally perceive the existence of these forums as a direct threat which has damaged his toy. Jesus Christ get a grip
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Feb 27, 2016 8:33:41 GMT -5
jcarter glorious leader when are you going to lead us into battle
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Post by jkarr on Feb 27, 2016 11:12:33 GMT -5
It says a lot that people talking on a separate, easily ignorable forum with no ties to Arm are thought of as a group of "crusaders" and that staff like nergal literally perceive the existence of these forums as a direct threat which has damaged his toy. Jesus Christ get a grip jcarter glorious leader when are you going to lead us into battle = joan of arm |
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 27, 2016 11:37:54 GMT -5
What the fuck, so Nergal admits he fucked up and yet I am still banned. Welp.
Yes he's explicitly talking about me there. No other person. Have I really been detrimental to the game? Not as much as this half-cocked dick waving, definitely. But they should do whatever they want to keep their lobotimites on the GDB from rubbing their own shit on the wall: 80 new rooms, guild changes in the future; maybe we'll start looking at requests before 100 hours has passed on them.
If they're just going to pervert their own standing policy on both sides of the coin with the explicit intention of fucking me, that needs to be put out there for everyone to see. Nergal has taken something I loved (my character) and destroyed it: he ripped the book I was writing straight out of my hands, and everyone has cheered him on for setting it on fire.
You know, this is the reason Armageddon staff were afraid of their personal information being leaked; they perform such hateful, biased and arbitrary excuses of administration and destroy a player's IRL DAYS of work at a narrative. At this rate, Nergal should be hoping his personal information doesn't get leaked -- as immature and jumpstarty as he is, someone might take severe personal offense and go hurt the kid.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 27, 2016 11:43:23 GMT -5
Purgpurgpurg that is like... one word placement away from being an outright threat. Anyone can come and copy that out of context and be like look here is someone who is thinking along the lines of hurting arm staffers with this leaked personal information. You might want to curb the frustration just a bit lest you become the poster boy for why they have a legitimate reason to be concerned.
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Post by jcarter on Feb 27, 2016 12:12:11 GMT -5
let's drop rhetoric like this. it only feeds into their narcissisms and validates the hysterical fear-mongering which has been floating around as a convenient distraction from valid criticisms which can be leveled towards staff. second, it can definitely come across as a threat which is against the proboards TOS. considering that multiple GDB posters have actively incited false complaints, we should be on our toes about it. but more importantly i don't want IRL threats or things on here. i don't think you do either, as it just gives fuel for people to say 'wow im glad this crazy threatening guy is gone!' and ignore everything you say. |
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 27, 2016 12:26:31 GMT -5
I'm not making any threat towards staff IRL. But if they're going to pretend there is a threat out there, they should recognize they've done their part in provoking it.
I'm done with the rhetoric anyway. Sorry for flipping out.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 27, 2016 17:34:19 GMT -5
I share the belief of others on staff that your primary interest lies in self-promotion and that you've used the wiki and game leak to take a position that emphasizes dubious means of pressuring staff to change their ways in an effort to convince people on jcarter's forum to join your website. Well, I for one had no idea you had a website prior to this leak. Clearly your advertising efforts were effective. I mean you definitely couldn't be taking a neutral, scientific/policy stance on this for the sake of discussion! Sure, you do that with basically every other thing that happens, BUT NOT THIS TIME. Because who ever heard of Optional Realities before now? jcarter glorious leader when are you going to lead us into battle Glorious Leader Ter Car Jay will lead us when the time is right. Do not question him, peasant! It says a lot that people talking on a separate, easily ignorable forum with no ties to Arm are thought of as a group of "crusaders" and that staff like nergal literally perceive the existence of these forums as a direct threat which has damaged his toy. Jesus Christ get a grip jcarter glorious leader when are you going to lead us into battle = joan of arm ^ this |
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 28, 2016 14:43:48 GMT -5
Adhira responded to my question and apologized for the delay. Thus far out of all producers she has always given me a polite reply even when giving me a non-desirable response. Also it appears that staff (according to Adhira) are going to consolidate the helpfile on their rules/policies for banning so people can more easily assess what will and will not get them in trouble so keep an eye out for that.
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Post by legendary on Feb 28, 2016 20:17:08 GMT -5
Also it appears that staff (according to Adhira) are going to consolidate the helpfile on their rules/policies for banning so people can more easily assess what will and will not get them in trouble so keep an eye out for that. That doesn't address the real problem. The problem with the current rules isn't so much the rules themselves, but in how arbitrary their enforcement is. It's the reason some people are banned for simple forum disagreements, while others, like Malifaxis, are free to insult, abuse and belittle people on a daily basis without punishment. The rules are applied differently to different people, all of it based squarely on personal opinions. What ArmageddonMUD needs is transparency in how the staff administer, for like of a better term, judicial actions. For example, there is no point to a staff complaint request because you're counting on these people to side with you over those they most likely consider friends. It is handled behind closed doors and you, as a player, have no choice but to accept the inevitable "The matter has been addressed. Thank you for sharing your concerns with us." response you're fed after an arbitrary amount of time has passed. It's a breeding ground for the 'us' versus 'them' feeling that permeates the community. It places an expectation of trust on players that is often betrayed and just as often, without consequence or apology. It's rare to even get some office memo grade lip service over it. See: Nergal's shameful forum rage and subsequent witch hunt, Nyr's extensive and unopposed tenure of exploitation, snark and abuse, et cetera. Look at the history of these forums. At first, people were banned on discovery for having an account here. There were people being banned on pure speculation or suspicion of being involved with these forums in any capacity. No distinction was made between those posting 'leaks' and those who were here for a more open discussion, away from the echo chamber that is the General Discussion Board. This is an indisputable fact and we have documented proof available on these very forums, for people to peruse at their leisure. These draconian methods of control failed because unlike people gossiping in IRC or across private message services in the past, this was a public venue. Staff couldn't insult, bully and abuse players, not without the very real risk of them coming here to post the details. That was all it took to (somewhat) curb these anti-social tendencies and force Nyr and others to adopt a more civil public demeanor. When RR and others were banned for the high crime of posting an honest opinion where the staff couldn't moderate it away, the players took notice and grew raucous. The staff were forced to address these issues in the open and the results were more agreeable then they likely would have been if they were kept confined to the obfuscated workings of request tool bureaucracy. It's not perfect. Of course it isn't, not when they're still explaining away errors in judgment with assumption and condescension, but it could have gone a lot worse. We don't need a stricter or more elaborate codex of laws to abide by, we need transparency to keep their enforcement fair for everyone. |
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Post by shik on Feb 28, 2016 20:27:22 GMT -5
Adhira responded to my question and apologized for the delay. Thus far out of all producers she has always given me a polite reply even when giving me a non-desirable response. Also it appears that staff (according to Adhira) are going to consolidate the helpfile on their rules/policies for banning so people can more easily assess what will and will not get them in trouble so keep an eye out for that. What was the answer to the question? |
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