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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 22, 2016 20:39:57 GMT -5
If that's the case... I am absolutely sorry, Red Ranger. Now I'm feeling legitimately depressed. I shouldn't have even mentioned you -- it's clear that they've lost it now. But still, if there's any blame that can be placed, I accept it on me for misrepresenting you. RR, I'm absolutely sorry for somehow dragging you into this. They were probably going to go through the threads banning everyone who wasn't a good little contrarian. All you did was moved up the time table. I wonder how people on the GDB will feel about Red Ranger being silently banned now over writing some particularly inoffensive commentary weeks ago.
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 22, 2016 20:46:59 GMT -5
They were probably going to go through the threads banning everyone who wasn't a good little contrarian. All you did was moved up the time table. I wonder how people on the GDB will feel about Red Ranger being silently banned now over writing some particularly inoffensive commentary weeks ago. They're perfectly content to say I got what was coming to me, and that it's a good thing the staff members are using this manufactured crisis of doxxing to kick me out of the game with no recompense or respect. If ever there were a pit of vipers, it's the echo chamber that is the GDB. RR is different, though; an actually good player, better than me. Maybe the people who actually care about the integrity of the game, and not their transient standing with the current administration, will be influenced by this.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 22, 2016 20:52:13 GMT -5
Hey, I've been avoiding logging into my GDB because I didn't need it to read the forums which I periodically check for updating the Armageddon section of Optional Realities. That being said once RedRanger (who was a very distinguished player who never went off the player at staff) was banned I decided to bite the bullet and check. imgur.com/a/y0wzOPS - I was also banned with no e-mail notification.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 22, 2016 20:56:05 GMT -5
Figures. Apparently staff have gone Full Retard over this, and the Us vs Them mentality of yesteryear is back in full force. Well. I still stand by what I said before about helping the game, but I have to admit @oldtwink called this.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 22, 2016 21:00:43 GMT -5
I just find it kind of funny they banned me (moderate) and Red Ranger (also moderate) both who actually would like Armageddon to improve and have never condoned hacking or doxxing or posted anything that threatened harm on any member of the community. Like... I don't even play, I checked the GDB to update a section of Optional Realities about Armageddon. I'm also wildly neutral in this whole boondoggle and Red Ranger didn't even post on the topic until after everything happened. What was his transgression?
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 22, 2016 21:07:30 GMT -5
Duckspeak, no doubt. EDIT: Sorry, I was already thinking about 1984 before I read latrineswimmer's post and now I can't stop dropping references.
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Post by RogueRougeRanger on Feb 22, 2016 21:54:54 GMT -5
If that's the case... I am absolutely sorry, Red Ranger. Now I'm feeling legitimately depressed. I shouldn't have even mentioned you -- it's clear that they've lost it now. But still, if there's any blame that can be placed, I accept it on me for misrepresenting you. RR, I'm absolutely sorry for somehow dragging you into this. No need to feel sorry on my behalf!
1. Despite the (very flattering!) efforts of even some here on the shadow board, I haven't played since late 2014 when I retired my templar Htaniya.
2. I'm a big boy. If I was worried about being banned then I wouldn't have outed myself in the first place.
3. This hyper defensive overreaction from the staff isn't surprising.
4. You didn't misrepresent me at all.
I have lots of thoughts on all this but it'll need to wait until I have more time and energy.
Update: Adhira lifted my ban earlier today 2/23/16.
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Post by fist on Feb 22, 2016 22:44:48 GMT -5
This reaction from Arm's staff is depressing.
To be fair what Barka did was kind of silly and pointless, more of a pointless jab than anything, but now I feel like the staff's using it as an excuse to return to Nyrdom right when the community was really making progress towards coming together again. As they say, for every action, an equal and opposite reaction.
It's hard to say where it all started. I'd say Nyr's heavy-handedness on the GDB and interactions with players really got the pendulum moving. That behavior going unchecked for so long led to disgruntled players demonizing the staff and the creation of the shadowboards. The shadowboards' exposure of that sort of abuse swung back hard enough eventually that they realized there were problems.
With Nyr's departure from the public eye and some of the recent moves of the staff it seemed like the staff was moving in the right direction and there was even some positivity on the shadowboards here. It was refreshing to see. I haven't been keeping up well enough to say what happened to make Barka post the staff wiki, but just when we were seeing progress, the pendulum's been set in motion again and the staff's overreacting to one guy's actions by rushing to the moral high ground, throwing fingerpointings and bans at people not even a part of his actions. Banning Jeshin for being a part of a discussion is more than a little ridiculous and rings of the repressive era of GDB fascism that created these boards. On one hand I understand it because the staff feels attacked when at least from my outside perspective, they'd been on the right track lately, but on other hand they're turning the page back to read rather similarly to the same abusive past that created these shadowboards.
The staff and the community here, in my opinion, need to take a good hard look at Jaunt's posts on this subject. The staff and yes, even some of the rebels here, are cannibalizing an already-dwindled RPI MUD community. Every time I'm on the brink of giving these games another shot, something like this reminds me that I can find something better to do with my time. It's almost sad, really.
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Post by RogueRougeRanger on Feb 23, 2016 9:45:05 GMT -5
So I knew something was up yesterday morning (Eastern Time) when the typical GDB account I've been using was banned. It wasn't until yesterday PM that I checked to confirm that I was also banned from the MUD itself. Interestingly, when they did all that banning (without the courtesy of any notification to me or, apparently, to Jeshin either) they never got around to banning my original GDB account (on the current iteration of the GDB account #69 dude!) handle Red Ranger. So this morning just now I was browsing the GDB using my Red Ranger GDB account when I was suddenly banned. Again, none of this is surprising. What was genuinely surprising was that when they were handing out the bannings they neglected to ban my best known GDB account. The game belongs to the staff, not to the players. The staff can do whatever they want with it, including banning whomever they want for whatever reason they please. They can declare that IC’ly one plus one equals three or that Kurac doesn’t exist or never existed. They can then ban any player that makes the mistake of mentioning Kurac IC’ly (or OOC’ly!) thereafter. It’s their game! Of course, just because they CAN do something doesn’t mean it’s a good idea or that everyone should agree with their decisions. In my opinion, to understand their motivations for banning me one must understand that it’s all about control. It’s understandable that they don’t like me because I disagree with their decisions and I post about it on a public forum openly using my Armageddon identity. But I had nothing to do with the wiki leak and I even hadn’t posted anything about it on the GDB or on the SB one way or the other. I also haven’t had the heart to play Arm since late 2014, as I’ve posted multiple times before. So why ban me from the GDB and the game? Again, IMO it’s about control and they understandably feel even more vulnerable and out of control because of the leak. So they’ve lashed out and I’m a convenient target. Banning me from a game I haven’t played lately doesn’t hurt me and banning me from the GDB doesn’t hurt me. It also does nothing to stop me from posting on the SB, which they don’t like, why would I stop? But in addition to whatever vindictive glee they get from banning me, the real reason for my ban is to reassert control by sending a message to other players: “If you speak up, you could be next. We own this MUD, not you.” In the Staff wiki/docs thread @jaunt has made good points about the need for collaboration, and I agree 100%. In fact I lamented that loss of collaboration in my very first post on the SB when I outted myself: And that’s emblematic of what Armageddon has become for me: squelched player efforts for zero gain. There are no true IC politics and there’s certainly no collaborative effort from the staff to world-build with the players. It’s sad to lose what feels like an old friend..."
I think that those in the playerbase, both on the GDB and on the SB, that have really thought about the problems of Arm have come to the conclusion that there’s a lack of collaboration and they wish there were more. But collaboration requires compromise and ceding some control and I just don’t think that the staff of Arm are interested in loosening their control over the game at all.
Update: Adhira lifted my ban earlier today 2/23/16.
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Post by ccp on Feb 23, 2016 9:57:53 GMT -5
banning people for disagreeing with them is horribly stupid. have fun with a quieter game with less players and a higher sheeple to free thinker ratio. bans over this incident lends credence to the opinion aome have here of wanting to shut it down. i dont agree with that and wish this never happened but every time someone throws shit across the wall it gets us closer to losing our game. if that makes you dicks happy that i will miss it then i guess that just makes you even bigger assholes than staff. at least staff host a game for free. what have you shitheads done for me besides make some drama?
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Post by jcarter on Feb 23, 2016 10:10:00 GMT -5
banning people for disagreeing with them is horribly stupid. have fun with a quieter game with less players and a higher sheeple to free thinker ratio. bans over this incident lends credence to the opinion aome have here of wanting to shut it down. i dont agree with that and wish this never happened but every time someone throws shit across the wall it gets us closer to losing our game. if that makes you dicks happy that i will miss it then i guess that just makes you even bigger assholes than staff. at least staff host a game for free. what have you shitheads done for me besides make some drama? absolutely nothing. what do you feel that you're owed?
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Post by drunkendwarf on Feb 23, 2016 10:17:15 GMT -5
banning people for disagreeing with them is horribly stupid. have fun with a quieter game with less players and a higher sheeple to free thinker ratio. bans over this incident lends credence to the opinion aome have here of wanting to shut it down. i dont agree with that and wish this never happened but every time someone throws shit across the wall it gets us closer to losing our game. if that makes you dicks happy that i will miss it then i guess that just makes you even bigger assholes than staff. at least staff host a game for free. what have you shitheads done for me besides make some drama? SOMEONE hasn't had his coffee yet. Or maybe lost his blankie?
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Post by jesantu on Feb 23, 2016 10:26:08 GMT -5
You can expect the player numbers to go back into decline again. We're right back where we were before nyr went on "hiatus".
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Post by RogueRougeRanger on Feb 23, 2016 21:52:58 GMT -5
Adhira emailed me earlier today to tell me that the producers reviewed my ban and feel it was done appropriately so they've reversed it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 21:54:32 GMT -5
Adhira emailed me earlier today to tell me that the producers reviewed my ban and feel it was done appropriately so they've reversed it. That was big of her. Glad to hear this. And by appropriately I'm guessing you mean inappropriately? Otherwise I'm confused.
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