malkeninthemiddle
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Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 28, 2015 16:11:12 GMT -5
Malken, you don't always look pathetic, but you look lovingly so right now. Slavishly defending something so ridiculous hurts the objectivity you try to project and detracts from some of the more credible arguments you've put forth. So, keep it up. I don't have any objectivity at all. I'm very pro-Nyr and I would die for him. I would sacrifice myself for him, I owe him my life, the freedom of my country and the beautiful grandchildren that he has given me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 16:12:00 GMT -5
What Nyr did is a form of bullying/harassment, plain and simple.
It's sorta like if someone owes a drug dealer money or robs them, and then the drug dealer goes to their family to demand an explanation/money - or perhaps simply to cause anxiety or whatever simply because they cannot get to the person they want. In the drug world, it can happen often.
For instance, I found out who robbed me nearly three years ago of 5k worth of weed just a couple of weeks back, and I was sure to contact friends of the people who fucked me over because I had no way to get ahold of the one who HAD fucked me over. It's not really an uncommon practice when it comes to "retaliation," but it doesn't mean it's right, especially for something as petty as a forum for a text-based roleplaying game that is suffering because people spend too much time policing shit instead of actually helping the game.
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Post by silentlamb on Apr 28, 2015 16:14:03 GMT -5
These things would have to be taken into consideration Malken, but I am firmly of the belief that their roleplaying styles would be drastically different. To quote an email they'd sent me previously: "It has been our experience that banned players always out themselves, eventually. Either through their writing style, roleplay or simply the roles they pick.", so they would be able to diffrentiate between the two players. She would have been undeserving of a ban.
Sirra using lamguage like that just makes the whole thing a circlejerk... Honestly, just don't go there...
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Post by sirra on Apr 28, 2015 16:15:37 GMT -5
No, I get your point. but jazet didn't have another account. his wife had an account. afaik there was no proof that he was using her account or abusing his multiplay privileges; i think we can assume nyr certainly would have said that. he is threatening to ban his wife's account for no actual reason. there's no evidence she posted here, afaik he's not accusing his wife of posting here, she's just apparently guilty and could be banned from armageddon mud because nyr has beef with her husband. i mean to me, i don't think it's ok that staff are taking out the actions of a single player on other people's accounts. even if it was never followed through on, i just think it's pathetic and low to try to bring other unrelated people's accounts in as some sort of leverage. if you think that has anything to do with actually enforcing policy and not some personal issues you're being naive. I assume that jazet lives (lived, still lives - I hope!) with his wife at the time so yes, their accounts would be on the same IP and they probably would have sought permission from Staff to have two accounts sharing the same IP. (Can we at least agree on that part? It's an important part of my argument..) So let's assume that they are sharing two accounts in one household AND Staff, for some reason or another, think that one of these two accounts was found cheating, they decide to ban them both because if you are found to be cheating, how can they trust you that the other account is really your wife playing it? (I don't think I would, but it depends on what you were caught doing, as well). That's why context is important.. Why is it that Nyr felt like whoever's account he was really after deserved to have every accounts related to that household banned instead of just the one? Because he's a prick? Because he thinks the crime is so big that jazet and his wife (or whoever he thought jazet was) are both guilty of something? Again, I think it has nothing to do with jazet and his wife being personally targeted, I think it's whoever he thought jazet was and every accounts related to him. You should take up journalism for Russia Today. Whatever scant respect I had for you has been completely expended by repeatedly pushing this bullshit theory of yours. Your hypothetical assumptions mean nothing. In the context of the email, and given that it was sent to a past staffer, who staff and many others have had contact with throughout the years, and with his wife's account...Nyr was CLEARLY aware they were separate people. So peddling this asinine what-if bullshit to try and vindicate it only works if it has any basis in reality. It doesn't. You are sounding like the Iraqi Information Minister. Nyr is the same guy that deleted kronibas posts on the GDB for disagreeing with him. He's a bully. And you're not doing yourself any favors by going to such absurd lengths to excuse it. |
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Post by jazet on Apr 28, 2015 16:17:30 GMT -5
No, I get your point. but jazet didn't have another account. his wife had an account. afaik there was no proof that he was using her account or abusing his multiplay privileges; i think we can assume nyr certainly would have said that. he is threatening to ban his wife's account for no actual reason. there's no evidence she posted here, afaik he's not accusing his wife of posting here, she's just apparently guilty and could be banned from armageddon mud because nyr has beef with her husband. i mean to me, i don't think it's ok that staff are taking out the actions of a single player on other people's accounts. even if it was never followed through on, i just think it's pathetic and low to try to bring other unrelated people's accounts in as some sort of leverage. if you think that has anything to do with actually enforcing policy and not some personal issues you're being naive. I assume that jazet lives (lived, still lives - I hope!) with his wife at the time so yes, their accounts would be on the same IP and they probably would have sought permission from Staff to have two accounts sharing the same IP. (Can we at least agree on that part? It's an important part of my argument..) So let's assume that they are sharing two accounts in one household AND Staff, for some reason or another, think that one of these two accounts was found cheating, they decide to ban them both because if you are found to be cheating, how can they trust you that the other account is really your wife playing it? (I don't think I would, but it depends on what you were caught doing, as well). That's why context is important.. Why is it that Nyr felt like whoever's account he was really after deserved to have every accounts related to that household banned instead of just the one? Because he's a prick? Because he thinks the crime is so big that jazet and his wife (or whoever he thought jazet was) are both guilty of something? Again, I think it has nothing to do with jazet and his wife being personally targeted, I think it's whoever he thought jazet was and every accounts related to him. I appreciate you taking the time to review this and point that out. But could you concede that, from my perspective, and from my wife's, it was threatening? No matter if it was a mistake, if it was handled/fixed, that at the time it -felt- like a bit of a threatening witch hunt? |
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Post by jcarter on Apr 28, 2015 16:17:58 GMT -5
You're missing my point.. If Nyr finds out that an ex staffer has been cheating and he thinks that jazet is that guy, and also finds out that jazet has another account connected to his wife, then at this point there is no trust left between Staff and jazet's account (including his wife and all) because if that account has been found out to break the rules, then how do they know that jazet's wife is actually playing and it's not just jazet using his wife to have two accounts or whatever? BUT AGAIN HE REALIZES THAT IT'S NOT JAZET, so it doesn't matter. Neither Jazet nor his wife are cheaters and they are left alone afterward. My concern there was no effort made before the mistake was made to discuss the issue but simply a You're banned, your family is banned, your first grade girlfriend is banned, your mother's best friend is banned... lol. But I think I make my point clear that there could have been some kind of effort to talk about it before hand. It'd be better if staff (or anyone for that matter) weren't so quick to act, making sure they have all the information and not going into a situation thinking they know everything without at least talking to someone in a civil manner. I mean... what if Nyr had approached him and said... "Hey Mr. Jazet, So sorry to bother you with this but we have reason to believe someone is doing this thing that's against the rules and the information gives us reason to believe you're involved. We appreciate your contributions to the games over the years and just wanted to remind you of the staff contract. We don't want to punish you or but we want to make sure the rules are enforced. Can you please help us out with what's going on? If possible any kind of explanation would helpful. Thanks, -Fictitious Arm Staff Member" What if this happened? this 100%. it's so weird that there's people thinking this is acceptable. it's a stupid video game for christ's sake. it's so unnecessary to go throwing around these heavy-handed punishments. no one is intimidated by the alpha nerd who rules his video game with an iron fist. staff have complained about the pbase complaining that staff is out to get them and thrown out cutesy comments about it. gee, maybe because this whole jumping the gun of false accusations culture that's been curated feeds into the us vs them mentality? it's not just nyr either. i posted before about how i got a strongly-worded e-mail from sanvean in the early 2000s accusing me of wanting to retire a character to cheat an assassination plot against me. she found this out because i mentioned it off hand to another staffer that i was bored with the character. i had no idea of the assassination plot. i got an apology, but it was still pretty wtf. why can't you just talk to people like a normal human being? |
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Post by sirra on Apr 28, 2015 16:18:13 GMT -5
I assume that jazet lives (lived, still lives - I hope!) with his wife at the time so yes, their accounts would be on the same IP and they probably would have sought permission from Staff to have two accounts sharing the same IP. (Can we at least agree on that part? It's an important part of my argument..) So let's assume that they are sharing two accounts in one household AND Staff, for some reason or another, think that one of these two accounts was found cheating, they decide to ban them both because if you are found to be cheating, how can they trust you that the other account is really your wife playing it? (I don't think I would, but it depends on what you were caught doing, as well). That's why context is important.. Why is it that Nyr felt like whoever's account he was really after deserved to have every accounts related to that household banned instead of just the one? Because he's a prick? Because he thinks the crime is so big that jazet and his wife (or whoever he thought jazet was) are both guilty of something? Again, I think it has nothing to do with jazet and his wife being personally targeted, I think it's whoever he thought jazet was and every accounts related to him. I appreciate you taking the time to review this and point that out. But could you concede that, from my perspective, and from my wife's, it was threatening? No matter if it was a mistake, if it was handled/fixed, that at the time it -felt- like a bit of a threatening witch hunt? By Malken's viewpoint, you and your wife were the same people, and Nyr was just being a diligent staffer in dealing with an obvious cheater. What's there for him to concede? |
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malkeninthemiddle
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Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 28, 2015 16:18:21 GMT -5
These things would have to be taken into consideration Malken, but I am firmly of the belief that their roleplaying styles would be drastically different. To quote an email they'd sent me previously: "It has been our experience that banned players always out themselves, eventually. Either through their writing style, roleplay or simply the roles they pick.", so they would be able to diffrentiate between the two players. She would have been undeserving of a ban. First of all, we have no idea what the guy who was supposed to be banned instead of jazet did, or didn't do. Again, this is why I want you to post it, since you said you would, on the GDB. Second, we have no idea if that guy who was supposed to be banned or not also had a wife who was playing and maybe they did something terrible together to the game, again, I have no idea. If you all think that Nyr is insane and would threaten people's wife for absolutely no reason or pure pettiness, then you are right to have left the game (even though most of you still play) and apparently he is not about to leave because the majority of Staff are praising him as we speak, so I have no idea what you guys are expecting or hoping at this point. But anyway, it does make for some highly entertaining reading so I'm very pro-shadow board too. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 16:19:57 GMT -5
So, it is okay to threaten the wife of a player... if the player deserved it. By saying "we don't know what jazet did to get banned," that is your implication.
Sorry pardner, actually nothing warrants that kind of behavior. The fact that it happened before Nyr even started playing makes it all the more absurd, lol.
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Post by jcarter on Apr 28, 2015 16:20:27 GMT -5
If you all think that Nyr is insane and would threaten people's wife for absolutely no reason or pure pettiness, then you are right to have left the game (even though most of you still play) and apparently he is not about to leave because the majority of Staff are praising him as we speak, so I have no idea what you guys are expecting or hoping at this point. malken why do you keep being obtuse about this and turning it into a strawman? no one is saying nyr is threatening the person's wife in the context of physical threats or violence. when someone says nyr threatened his wife they're clearly talking about it in the context of threatening his wife's account privileges. |
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malkeninthemiddle
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Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 28, 2015 16:20:31 GMT -5
I assume that jazet lives (lived, still lives - I hope!) with his wife at the time so yes, their accounts would be on the same IP and they probably would have sought permission from Staff to have two accounts sharing the same IP. (Can we at least agree on that part? It's an important part of my argument..) So let's assume that they are sharing two accounts in one household AND Staff, for some reason or another, think that one of these two accounts was found cheating, they decide to ban them both because if you are found to be cheating, how can they trust you that the other account is really your wife playing it? (I don't think I would, but it depends on what you were caught doing, as well). That's why context is important.. Why is it that Nyr felt like whoever's account he was really after deserved to have every accounts related to that household banned instead of just the one? Because he's a prick? Because he thinks the crime is so big that jazet and his wife (or whoever he thought jazet was) are both guilty of something? Again, I think it has nothing to do with jazet and his wife being personally targeted, I think it's whoever he thought jazet was and every accounts related to him. I appreciate you taking the time to review this and point that out. But could you concede that, from my perspective, and from my wife's, it was threatening? No matter if it was a mistake, if it was handled/fixed, that at the time it -felt- like a bit of a threatening witch hunt? Absolutely. |
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Post by sirra on Apr 28, 2015 16:22:04 GMT -5
My concern there was no effort made before the mistake was made to discuss the issue but simply a You're banned, your family is banned, your first grade girlfriend is banned, your mother's best friend is banned... lol. But I think I make my point clear that there could have been some kind of effort to talk about it before hand. It'd be better if staff (or anyone for that matter) weren't so quick to act, making sure they have all the information and not going into a situation thinking they know everything without at least talking to someone in a civil manner. I mean... what if Nyr had approached him and said... "Hey Mr. Jazet, So sorry to bother you with this but we have reason to believe someone is doing this thing that's against the rules and the information gives us reason to believe you're involved. We appreciate your contributions to the games over the years and just wanted to remind you of the staff contract. We don't want to punish you or but we want to make sure the rules are enforced. Can you please help us out with what's going on? If possible any kind of explanation would helpful. Thanks, -Fictitious Arm Staff Member" What if this happened? this 100%. it's so weird that there's people thinking this is acceptable. it's a stupid video game for christ's sake. it's so unnecessary to go throwing around these heavy-handed punishments. no one is intimidated by the alpha nerd who rules his video game with an iron fist. staff have complained about the pbase complaining that staff is out to get them and thrown out cutesy comments about it. gee, maybe because this whole jumping the gun of false accusations culture that's been curated feeds into the us vs them mentality? it's not just nyr either. i posted before about how i got a strongly-worded e-mail from sanvean in the early 2000s accusing me of wanting to retire a character to cheat an assassination plot against me. she found this out because i mentioned it off hand to another staffer that i was bored with the character. i had no idea of the assassination plot. i got an apology, but it was still pretty wtf. why can't you just talk to people like a normal human being? A direct correlation with how acceptable people think Nyr's behavior is, can probably be measured against their own inexperience in any real life professional situation. Or some kind of weird detachment from reality, where being the grand poobah of a small mud means you have a right to bully others to make yourself feel good. (Because let's face it, if Nyr tried to bully anyone in real life, they'd probably pin him down and fuck him in the ass). |
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Post by silentlamb on Apr 28, 2015 16:25:14 GMT -5
These things would have to be taken into consideration Malken, but I am firmly of the belief that their roleplaying styles would be drastically different. To quote an email they'd sent me previously: "It has been our experience that banned players always out themselves, eventually. Either through their writing style, roleplay or simply the roles they pick.", so they would be able to diffrentiate between the two players. She would have been undeserving of a ban. First of all, we have no idea what the guy who was supposed to be banned instead of jazet did, or didn't do. Again, this is why I want you to post it, since you said you would, on the GDB. Second, we have no idea if that guy who was supposed to be banned or not also had a wife who was playing and maybe they did something terrible together to the game, again, I have no idea. If you all think that Nyr is insane and would threaten people's wife for absolutely no reason or pure pettiness, then you are right to have left the game (even though most of you still play) and apparently he is not about to leave because the majority of Staff are praising him as we speak, so I have no idea what you guys are expecting or hoping at this point. But anyway, it does make for some highly entertaining reading so I'm very pro-shadow board too. I really, really want to post it, but staff will just ban me if I do because I'm not 100% banned just yet, and one of the terms I'm under is not communicating with staff outside of clan join/leave requests or storage requests till june 6th. So I can wait till then and I will, or.. Like one of you could do it. Make a throwaway on a VPN? And Sirra, again, with the langauge it just... Y'know, fuck it. Saying this to you is falling on deaf ears. |
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malkeninthemiddle
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Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 28, 2015 16:29:15 GMT -5
If you all think that Nyr is insane and would threaten people's wife for absolutely no reason or pure pettiness, then you are right to have left the game (even though most of you still play) and apparently he is not about to leave because the majority of Staff are praising him as we speak, so I have no idea what you guys are expecting or hoping at this point. malken why do you keep being obtuse about this and turning it into a strawman? no one is saying nyr is threatening the person's wife in the context of physical threats or violence. when someone says nyr threatened his wife they're clearly talking about it in the context of threatening his wife's account privileges. I'm not trying to be obtuse about it, I just feel like it's so over the top that there is definitely something going on with whoever Nyr thought he was targeting (which again, it's not jazet and his wife). We don't know what that guy did and how many accounts he had. I'm trying to come up with a realistic reason as to why such an email would be sent OTHER than Nyr is just plain insane, yes? If Nyr is just plain insane, then I've got nothing and you guys are certainly right to be flipping about this. But I want more context to that email (not from jazen because he's not the target, so there's no context from him, he just randomly received some weird threatening email from Nyr out of nowhere). I'd like to know who it was supposed to be sent to, who that guy was, what he did to receive it and why would Nyr feel like all the accounts related to him should be terminated. |
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Post by silentlamb on Apr 28, 2015 16:31:46 GMT -5
I agree with Malken there, more context, insight from Nyr, and I also want to know who it was being sent to.
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