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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 22:59:03 GMT -5
You say that, but it's not really true. I can see them unwilling to work on plots players want to develop. I can see them forbidding plots that are being proposed by sponsored/ranked house members. Like say an allanaki templar hiring a psionicist and getting to be too influencial, some status quo loving staffer could potentially go, "Oh. A Templar wouldnt be able to hide a psi aide from the mind ministry' and stamp down the storage. Or a Kadian trying to open a new shop. Or a Salarri trying to build a new outpost. Or a tribal being too awesome.
But a complete indie? non sponsored role? In Red Storm? I dont believe it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 23:14:53 GMT -5
Maybe it had nothing to do with the plot in question and Nyr just hated the player? I mean, nothing's gonna surprise me when it comes to today's Armageddon staff. It's no less strange than so many other similar stories we've heard in recent years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 23:19:32 GMT -5
I would like to know more details about the story before I make any judgment concerning whether I think it's true and whether or not I should be upset about it.
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Post by tedium on Jul 9, 2015 5:27:01 GMT -5
The plot was likely unauthorized because the person in question used the term "noble house" to describe their clan, and intended on calling it "House Somethingorother." Staff have taken a very hardline stance against anyone rising above their station in recent years. It's a hard no. That's why blue-robes get force-stored when they get promoted to red robe. You're just not allowed to shift to another role through IG play anymore.
If you don't don't think that's true, try it yourself. Create an indie clan and mention offhand in a character report that you intend for it to become an unofficial noble house. See how they react.
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Post by jesantu on Jul 9, 2015 6:49:38 GMT -5
nothing's gonna surprise me when it comes to today's Armageddon staff. That's the problem though. Because of this fact, people can now post whatever wild-eyed cockamamie story about the staff that they want and it will still be believable. Doesn't mean that it's completely true, however. And though I'm one of the last posters here to jump to the defense of the staff, I still prefer the truth to be undistorted. It sounds like a case of the player misinterpreting events and failing to see the bigger picture, rather than yet another situation of predictable imm douchebaggery. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 10:24:20 GMT -5
nothing's gonna surprise me when it comes to today's Armageddon staff. That's the problem though. Because of this fact, people can now post whatever wild-eyed cockamamie story about the staff that they want and it will still be believable. Doesn't mean that it's completely true, however. And though I'm one of the last posters here to jump to the defense of the staff, I still prefer the truth to be undistorted. It sounds like a case of the player misinterpreting events and failing to see the bigger picture, rather than yet another situation of predictable imm douchebaggery. Yeah, that's the thing. I'm not saying this kind of thing doesn't happen, by any means. I'm saying there's no proof of it and it's a little silly to get all puffed up over a bunch of hearsay, even if it "sounds" like something that staff might do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 10:33:09 GMT -5
All I did was link the post. I'd say there's just as little reason to staunchly accuse the person of having made it up, given what we already know about the staff, and the fact that Jeshin apparently is familiar with the incident as well. Of all the insane shit that has been revealed of staff in the last few years, with dozens of not too dissimilar stories posted here, it's odd that people choose to insist that this particular one is a lie.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 10:41:26 GMT -5
I personally didn't insist it was a lie. I've gotten shut down over plenty of things, myself. I just want to hear more about it before I get upset about it. Jeshin said he'd heard the story, but he'd only heard about it anecdotally, as well. It would be interesting to hear more details, is all.
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 9, 2015 10:52:55 GMT -5
I actually heard it from 2 of the people involved but not the actual player who quit the game because of the staff interaction. The story itself is purely anecdotal because it lacks any proof aside from the statements of those involved to me and now the statement of someone (who may have no been involved) to the OR community which was copy and pasted here.
So something similar to this event actually happened. The specifics are currently not known to me nor displayed in any public forum I'm aware of.
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Post by gloryhound on Jul 9, 2015 12:13:53 GMT -5
Well. I dont believe it? Like I literally dont believe that a Staffer would tell an independant, non family member, non sponsored role character to stop building an organization, or be force stored? I just dont believe it. I can understand a Staffer being all, "Oh. We're volunteers, we're not going to support this plot because ... we're lazy". I can see that happening. But actually "forbidding" a plot that doesnt require them? I dont believe it. Get her to maybe dig up that interaction and paste it? This is eminently believable. Just note how entirely static the game world is. Now translate that into how many player plots must be receiving support. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 17:11:26 GMT -5
Nobody's talking about support. We're talking about staff explicitly forbidding a plot. Dont do the plot, or else we store scenario. That is what I dont believe in.
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Post by sirra on Jul 9, 2015 18:15:46 GMT -5
I think, in this case, the girl's ambitions were a bit excessive. She probably could have done a lot of things, and seems to have received quite a lot of support until then. But forming your own noble House is not something I'm surprised about putting the kibosh to.
Was it handled stupidly? Sure. If they were smarter, they would have said 'okay', let her claim whatever she wanted ICly, then had her assassinated the moment it got back to any true nobility.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 18:23:40 GMT -5
My problem is that plots like that happen very often. Dozens, hundreds of times across the years. And none of them were rejected. Okey, that's ... ambitious. Is usually the standard reply. Very few people needed to be assassinated, most of them died on their own. Shrug.
Anyway. Staff ... could be better. A LOT better. But in this precise instance? I dont believe the situation was as how it was described. Similar, but to some significant difference somewhere.
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Post by tedium on Jul 10, 2015 8:20:16 GMT -5
Nobody's talking about support. We're talking about staff explicitly forbidding a plot. Dont do the plot, or else we store scenario. That is what I dont believe in. Didn't staff just force-store that Arm Sergeant for arguing with them? I wouldn't be surprised if the original person argued with staff over the issue and that is how force-storage came up. Nyr uses threats of force-storage all the time. Staff in general have a long, long history of being unable to communicate with players without ultimatums. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 18:47:14 GMT -5
That could've easily happened. I can see a player being wtfed about something, arguing with staff, and Nyr being Nyr knows no other solutions to a conversation then force store a guy and if the player still doesnt stop, ban him.
But the person was told that his plot was rejected as an 'unauthorized' plot and was told that their character will be force stored if they will continue running that plot. 'That' I do not believe. Plain and simple. Sooo ... logs, or it didnt happen situation as far as I'm concerned.
PS: This is just my opinion obviously. Everyone can believe whatever the fuck they want.
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