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neither do I, which is why I never said that it was niche to skin what you're hunting. I stated it was a niche detail to know that there is a tribe of PC desert elves who will get angry with you and kill you if you don't skin the animals you kill.

I think the main issue right now are the hunters or twinks that kill something, skin it and leave everything there. That happens pretty frequently. Though I think this "plot" has to do with something else, the twink control might be a secondary thing.

Meh.

The only interactions I've ever had with the ATV involved their of their vivaduans drunking and dunking two of my characters when I decided to give Tuluk a try back in the day.

Two of them were earnest hunters, one for Salarr, neither died with any more than hawk feathers, a couple of duskhorn hides, and loads of meat in their pack.

The third was killed while out foraging for food and water, because I was paranoid about hunting anything ever. Got pincushioned by what I'm assuming was an ATV. Could've been a c-elf with really high archery though.

I always had the idea that they were some sort of eco-terrorist clan-- a bunch of murderous pointy-eared Captain Planet Cultists.

But I've never really played in a delf clan, so I dunno.

I once tried to app an exiled soh delf PC, who I would accept KOS from other delves with, who was a merc hiring his service out to the T'zai Byn. Just like the other delf exile NPCs and the Byn's own documentation.

Somewhere along the way, and I'm not sure, but it became extremely taboo for non-city elves to have anything to do with the city. I don't think staff was even particularly happy with the Red Fangs having as much action in Red Storm and the 'rinth as they did.

Maybe someone like Bitter or Del can chime in on why that became such a big deal. It's not like everyone loses their shit when a city-based hunter goes into the wild. 





As a former ATV player, I also find the idea of them being raiders a bit incongruous, which is why I referred to them as 'aggressive patrollers' in my post. But you're wrong about them being above plinking arrows at people. All delves, regardless of tribe, plink arrows at hunters. The ATV did it, the Soh did it. They all did it. Some ATV were better RPers than others. But we shouldn't pretend that sniping at random indie hunters isn't the major past time of most bored delves, whatever their tribal affiliation.

IIRC, at least one of the ATV was quite proud of sending a 'warning' about their over-hunting ways, and there was even some talk about ambushing hunters if they seemed to be disrespecting nature or depleting the local wildlife. There was a newb hunter who would go through elaborate rituals to show his gratitude to the land and the animal he killed. Just some Tuluki indie. I bet he'd had an ATV alt too.

That said, I can't actually recall a single instance of the ATV killing anyone, beyond some dwarf elementalist dude riding around on his magic erdlu or something. I've said it before...What a human, and especially a human female char in this game can get away with is far beyond what say, a male dwarf can.

i'm also entertainng the idea the clan is meant as an attempt to get indy hunters to join clans. It might have some initial succss until the bureaucracy sinks in.

The staff dont really have a problem with wildernss-livng twinks, just independent ones.

I wouldn't be surprised if a tuluki templar discovers that the ATV camp houses sorcerers and is allowed "remove them from the game".