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ATV
Mar 3, 2015 1:59:07 GMT -5
Post by lulz on Mar 3, 2015 1:59:07 GMT -5
Yeah, we're not disagreeing on anything here, except perhaps for storytellers being trapped behind a wall of "bureaucratic BS". While that may be true to some extent, I feel that can be a bit of a cop-out, much along the lines of "unpaid volunteer" status.
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Post by legendary on Mar 3, 2015 3:48:42 GMT -5
I got around to viewing that video.
And now I want to play World of Warcraft.
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Post by sirra on Mar 3, 2015 6:20:27 GMT -5
Meh. The entire time that I hunted the grasslands, there was an active ATV clan 90% of the time, and I had trouble with them, maybe once...and it didn't end well for them.
I have however played an ATV, and that was the sweetest, easiest stilt twinking I ever did know. Sadly, the PC in question had shit-shit-shit stats.
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ATV
Mar 3, 2015 6:47:00 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 6:47:00 GMT -5
Nothing is stopping storytellers from doing small plots that won't shape the world but will get players involved. Case in point: Rahmi running a plot where Kurac had a traitor steal 10k sid, a few bricks of spice and abscond. My task was to track down, apprehend and return said traitor (this involved multiple players and several of the Fist, so it was almost entirely a clan-centric plot). This wasn't the only plot he did that focused solely on Kurac. This particular plot however involved murder, corruption, and betrayal, and I loved every minute of it. The game needs more of that, and if you disagree, it's just because you're a black female lawyer television personality. But that's what the delf staff is doing now, isn't it? They're introducing a new plot that won't shape the world but get players involved. Reopening a clan that hasn't actually gone anywhere virtually. It was always there, now it's occupied by PCs again. There's always bitching about how travel has been mostly nerfed of challenge, how easy it is to get from Tuluk to Luir's and how the grasslands is just a happy hunting spree except when people kill everything in sight and there's nothing left to hunt til the next game reset. So they're giving people more to do by reopening the clan to players.
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ATV
Mar 3, 2015 8:24:26 GMT -5
sirra likes this
Post by lyse on Mar 3, 2015 8:24:26 GMT -5
My only thing when they do "plots" like this and you do your due dilligence (character reports) you get such shitty, vague responses you're never quite sure you're doing the right thing or you're going in the wrong direction.
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Jeshin
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Mar 3, 2015 8:31:10 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Mar 3, 2015 8:31:10 GMT -5
ATV were virtually wiped out. When I was first joining Tuluk there was an ATV that actually lived with the Akai Sjir, one of two. During the deluge their camp was destroyed or whatever and the tribe was dying out and I knew the last PC ATV. So by story standards this would be like the Red Fangs re-emerging. Still like that it's happening, but the staff did 'wipe them out' prior to this.
Corrected by IsFriday below!
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my2sids
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ATV
Mar 3, 2015 9:23:26 GMT -5
Post by my2sids on Mar 3, 2015 9:23:26 GMT -5
ATV were virtually wiped out. When I was first joining Tuluk there was an ATV that actually lived with the Akai Sjir, one of two. During the deluge their camp was destroyed or whatever and the tribe was dying out and I knew the last PC ATV. So by story standards this would be like the Red Fangs re-emerging. Still like that it's happening, but the staff did 'wipe them out' prior to this. That was my PC, unless there was more than one ATV that did that. No, they weren't dying out. They number in the thousands. I was approved to live with the Sjir (by a ST) with my PC in order to "improve relations" until the admin staff found out and they freaked out. It didn't last long. Anyway, yeah.
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ATV
Mar 3, 2015 10:12:54 GMT -5
Post by fist on Mar 3, 2015 10:12:54 GMT -5
My favorite PC ever was an ATV. They aren't raiders at all, so I'm not sure where this PK speculation comes from.
They should only get pissy if you start obviously disrespecting nature. Like, if you're all twinking on gortoks but leaving their hides behind or taking a dump on them after or something.
They've got oodles of RP potential without needing to raid anybody. If you make an ATV "raider", you're doing it wrong, and you probably suck.
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Kronibas 2.0
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Mar 3, 2015 10:23:30 GMT -5
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Post by Kronibas 2.0 on Mar 3, 2015 10:23:30 GMT -5
You get unlimited stilt lizard grind. It would be incredibly easy to raise an ATV warrior. They don't need to be raiders to be a BIG threat to the rest of the PC population.
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Post by someguy on Mar 3, 2015 10:48:07 GMT -5
People can talk shit about this all they want for w/e reason. The video is great and I'm all for d-elf staff / staff in general trying cool new shit and doing new things for arm.
ATV if given a little lee-way and not:
"Uh Oh. You shot a Salarr hunter and killed a fuck buddy of some Aide... Now the Legion are going to ride out and kill us all into Force Storage."
You actually get more interaction opportunities than SLK which is a big plus though you lack the militant, scalping badassery that you get with a raiding d-elf.
More steps in the right direction.
PS: Kronibas 2.0 is way better than Kronibas 1.bitch
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ATV
Mar 3, 2015 12:01:58 GMT -5
Post by sirra on Mar 3, 2015 12:01:58 GMT -5
ATV if given a little lee-way and not: etcATV raiders are never going to be tolerated. Hell, not even particularly aggressive ATV 'patrollers'. Much like the Strait of Hormuz, it's just too vital a resource. Not just for twink hunters, but for elementalists and other shady types. And I find it hilarious that anyone thinks they'll change anything that isn't staff fiat. The moment some ATV newbs begin throwing their weight around, you start to get into a Desert Storm like scenario. And I mean the Desert Storm we won. And in response to 2sids...A) Which admin let you play a cross-tribe delf? and B) Tribes tend to arbitrarily go from 'nearly wiped out' to 'thousands roaming around...over er, there!' depending on whatever arbitrary point staff is trying to make that day. The Miloka went from an extinct, forgotten about subplot that noone had ever even heard of or dealt with in five+ RL years except a couple staffers to such an all-consuming powerhouse that one of the two largest private armies in the Known World after Tuluk and Nak (Kurac and Salarr), was reeling from their displeasure. Of course, every time they animated NPCs to attack us, they got their asses kicked. But all their damage was 'off camera' shit we could do nothing about or affect. And when the Salarr PCs didn't give enough of a shit, they made a point of it hurting everyone else's trade routes, to get more people pissed at Salarr. So in other words, I suspect it will be business as usual. But I do hope that some bright-eyed, bushy-tailed delves app into ATV, just for the inevitable aide/twink hunter/noble drama. You know how fucking boring Tuluk is? So boring that the slightest excuse will get them all over any delf raider business with tears of gratitude in their eyes. Of course, if delf staff is highly invested in the ATVs for some reason, that could all change. Then it's all about... There are thousands of ferocious, kryl-eating ATV warriors, and they'll storm Tuluk if Salarr hunters don't stop killing their PCs!
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ATV
Mar 3, 2015 13:53:35 GMT -5
Post by nyrocrisy on Mar 3, 2015 13:53:35 GMT -5
I personally loved the video and am really excited to see where the staff takes the tribe. If they spent that much time in putting together that video, I can only imagine what they're going to do with the tribe. Anyone else notice that their camp in the grasslands has been missing for some time now?
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Mar 3, 2015 13:54:06 GMT -5
Post by dcdc on Mar 3, 2015 13:54:06 GMT -5
My favorite PC ever was an ATV. They aren't raiders at all, so I'm not sure where this PK speculation comes from. They should only get pissy if you start obviously disrespecting nature. Like, if you're all twinking on gortoks but leaving their hides behind or taking a dump on them after or something. They've got oodles of RP potential without needing to raid anybody. If you make an ATV "raider", you're doing it wrong, and you probably suck. I think it stems from interactions with Soh. D-elfs seem like a PK Containment clan at times and thus do get a bit of resentment from other players. D-elves are basically designed to twink around and pk people in an attempt at "skill suppression". Some players just don't care for them. Especially since C-Elf's are pretty much a dead race, and all rather unplayable for most.
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my2sids
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Mar 3, 2015 14:58:51 GMT -5
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Post by my2sids on Mar 3, 2015 14:58:51 GMT -5
Sirra: My delf PC was your average joe ATV hunter that pretty much just roamed around and occasionally hit on Delirium's breed. One day he met a Sjir leader and was invited to spend some time in their "camp". I asked staff (forget who), got approved, spent a couple weeks in Tuluk until someone else noticed me and said "uuuhhh no".
Overall, I liked the role. The ATV PC population was low at the time so that was boring. My PC did have some Red Fang enemies. (Mortally wounded by one in the Kuraci pit via 'slif slif' bracers. Bandaged back to life by Ghost.)
My PC didn't have a reason to interact with Tulukis except to yoke up idiots that were killing and not skinning. (i.e. blatantly sparring.) I think they'd be fun if put back in the T Lands to interact with with the other elf tribes. I dunno where staff are putting them.
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Post by jcarter on Mar 3, 2015 15:22:04 GMT -5
D-elves are basically designed to twink around and pk people in an attempt at "skill suppression". Some players just don't care for them. Especially since C-Elf's are pretty much a dead race, and all rather unplayable for most. My PC didn't have a reason to interact with Tulukis except to yoke up idiots that were killing and not skinning. (i.e. blatantly sparring.) essentially d-elves have PK "rights" to players who don't cover up their twinking too well, which can safely be assumed to be newer players. whether an overt decision or not by staff, this is the kind of thing that people are talking about when they say how heavily arm is skewed towards veterans that know niche details like this (if I don't skin my sparring partners other players will kill me).
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