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Post by lulz on Jan 15, 2015 20:14:46 GMT -5
I read a lot of magicker hate as "Sour grapes" or but muh muh muh muh Assassin! Very true, but to be fair, mages can be avoided. I don't believe I ever had a bad run in with one while I played Gowan. That's because I would ghost out if the situation wasn't fully to my advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 21:58:13 GMT -5
Everyone thinks they're favorites need a bump... and their least favorite's a nerf. Truer words, friend. Truer words. This is exactly the type of thing that is rapidly apparent when you have access to see what people play the most, what they tried once or twice, how they most often do or don't die, who and how much and how often they pk and more.
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Post by delerak on Jan 15, 2015 23:29:31 GMT -5
What I meant by metrics (probably the wrong word here) is I want to see Arm simply code in a simple script to pull the data from pfiles and output it publicly. It's not that hard to do. And having a weekly/monthly report on the % of the pbase would be nice. Your recollection of what was on at what times isn't going to be that accurate as the human memory is one of the most flawed databases to rely on
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Post by delerak on Jan 15, 2015 23:30:14 GMT -5
For instance. I could say the I know for a fact magickers are much higher % than you remember. Per my personal experience but that is of course flawed. I want to see the cold hard data on the subject.
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Post by Kronibas 2.0 on Jan 15, 2015 23:32:29 GMT -5
nope gotta take her word for it del
you are ungrateful! Logic a shit!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 1:14:24 GMT -5
*shrug* Say what you want. Believe what you want. Just like how burglar's are supposed to be more combat capable than assassins when their skills actually cap 20 pts lower than assassins do. Even if the % thing was implemented and it showed I was right (which it would, if the numbers are the same as they were while I was on staff), most of the people who bitch about mages would still bitch about them because it wasn't less when it's already a case of more than 1/2 the guilds in the game combined making up less than 15% of pcs combined (and that includes magickers, psions, and old school sorcs put together). People want to knock 'autistic' around as a derogatory terminology on here, but I lay a claim on it, and have no problem telling you: If Armageddon wasn't the main interest I had for YEARS, I would not be here over a year after playing. Why do I bring that up, delerak? Because the human brain in general might be looked at that way, but the brain of someone with Asperger's, when it comes to one of their interests? Well, let me tell you exactly what Psychology Today describes it as: "As adults, we will often be drawn by that special interest into our careers. Many scientists, computer programmers, and academics are believed to have Asperger’s. We typically have prodigious memories, which allow us to catalog and store large amounts of information, and a laser focus to acquire all possible information on a subject. ... Our extreme ability to focus, combined with our intense special interests can make us extremely effective in our field, whatever that may be. We typically have very good, sometimes encyclopedic memories, and have IQs in average to well above average range. Many “geniuses” such as Mozart, and Albert Einstein have been thought to have Asperger’s or high functioning autism." (Link: www.psychologytoday.com/blog/aspergers-diary/200804/what-does-it-mean-have-asperger-syndrome ) As I said before, it may seem higher than that, but I would like to put it to question for you: When is the last time outside an RPT that you have seen more than 5 mage pcs together and online at one time, anywhere?
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Post by delerak on Jan 16, 2015 1:17:33 GMT -5
Doesn't matter as I can't guild sniff a mage with a mundane. I can only go by gemmers really. I feel like even 15% is pretty fucking high for a low-magic world that had its ecosystem utterly DESTROYED by magic.. these people are universally hated it's not even close.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 1:23:13 GMT -5
That includes 2 guilds that are not elementalists, as well as templars in the 15% estimate. At 50 players, even 5 gemmed is just 10% not 15%. And that supposes that there is always a rogue on somewhere, doing... something. which can't really be vouched for now, with the implementation of the changes to city states and their magick crap. 1 in 10 is an extreme minority, especially when it covers 6 or 7 subgroups. That breaks down to more like 1 in 50 pcs is a water mage, one in fifty is a ruk mage, etc. How do you get lower than that without totally cutting them from the game, delerak?
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Post by drunkendwarf on Jan 16, 2015 11:02:01 GMT -5
Go ahead and do it. Remove them from the game. Mages are just as helpless to actually change the world as any other character, but with the tedium of isolation (and extreme staff babysitting, restrictions and inconsistent expectations) attached. Fixed that.
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Post by drunkendwarf on Jan 16, 2015 11:17:01 GMT -5
And yes. My dwarf corporal (actually made Sergeant RIGHT before retiring!) in the Legions would relentlessly patrol all known mage hot spots. I killed several and chased many more off. Dargan's focus in his later years was generally "To serve the city of Tuluk, both from within and without" or something along those lines. Sometimes I would change it to a specific, achievable thing that fell within that general focus and once that goal was attained, change it back to the general goal. At one point his goal was "To kill the defiler Kiven". Which of course was ridiculous. Dargan wouldn't have lasted more than about 3 seconds against any high powered sorcerer, if I ever could have even spotted them (warrior/hunter, no scan). Didn't stop me from spending nearly every moment logged in patrolling for Kiven, knowing full well I'd be dead within seconds if I DID actually happen to come across him.
I kind of think if someone has an excuse to act as such...it's being a dwarven corporal in the Tuluki Legions after having been through some SERIOUS shit in his life up to that point. Mostly I agree that folks tend to role play in a very unrealistic manner when encountering mages. It can be difficult when players at the very least have a general idea of what any given mage class can do, if not know exactly what it is capable of, while their character doesn't know a damn thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 11:19:29 GMT -5
I think anyone in Tuluk's legions/templarate has all the reason in the world to hunt them down, DD, until Muk declares otherwise (which I'm 99.9% would never happen).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 11:56:40 GMT -5
I think the whole magick hate thing in Tuluk is a little over done. Sure the huddled uneducted and ignorant masses should be afraid of magick but should the educated leaders of Tuluk? Magick is a powerful technology. It should be respected but it's only a tool, in Zalanthas "evil" is just a pespecrive. Magick didn't destroy Tuluk, Isar being a Dragon's Thrall did. It's foolish for Tuluki leaders to let that ignorance cripple themselves.
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Post by Kronibas 2.0 on Jan 16, 2015 12:04:19 GMT -5
Yet they still wreck nak in battles
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 12:07:39 GMT -5
Volcano.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 13:18:58 GMT -5
I think the whole magick hate thing in Tuluk is a little over done. Sure the huddled uneducted and ignorant masses should be afraid of magick but should the educated leaders of Tuluk? Magick is a powerful technology. It should be respected but it's only a tool, in Zalanthas "evil" is just a pespecrive. Magick didn't destroy Tuluk, Isar being a Dragon's Thrall did. It's foolish for Tuluki leaders to let that ignorance cripple themselves. While on the one hand, that is definitely true. On the other hand, Muk is supposed to be omniscient (thus able to keep Tuluk from destruction even without magick), and then the rabid breeding of hate/fear into the masses through public antimagick rhetoric is a very effective propaganda tool for separating Tuluk from Allanak. I don't think it makes sense either, but then again, someone who knows 'all' and doesn't decide to wipe Tek the fuck out but is power hungry enough to steal immortality also doesn't make sense.
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