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Post by sirra on Nov 8, 2014 14:20:13 GMT -5
The Byn was a twinkfest before it was throttled. It was easily the most crowded, "how not to RP" clan in the game before the change. At times it was like watching the "how to skill up weapons" thread on here played out. (Which by the way is painful to watch) Shit was bad, top down bad. You can't filter new players through a clan like that. Not going to name and shame, but there were a few times I just had to log out because it was that bad, it gave me a headache. Byn was supposed to be where people get that out of their system and learn to survive the damn game before getting into solo emote masturbatory flower picking and doing spice with house aides. Don't get all pretentious. |
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Nov 8, 2014 14:24:27 GMT -5
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Post by lyse on Nov 8, 2014 14:24:27 GMT -5
The Byn was a twinkfest before it was throttled. It was easily the most crowded, "how not to RP" clan in the game before the change. At times it was like watching the "how to skill up weapons" thread on here played out. (Which by the way is painful to watch) Shit was bad, top down bad. You can't filter new players through a clan like that. Not going to name and shame, but there were a few times I just had to log out because it was that bad, it gave me a headache. Byn was supposed to be where people get that out of their system and learn to survive the damn game before getting into solo emote masturbatory flower picking and doing spice with house aides. Don't get all pretentious. How'd that work out? |
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Nov 8, 2014 14:33:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 14:33:25 GMT -5
Last time I was in the Byn, the sergeants and troopers were the ones teaching everyone how to twink. Stuff like sparring with three barrels in your inventory for penalties to better skill up, abusing mob AI to take them down safely with foraged rocks, bringing bowls of stew on patrols, and spamming disarm as fast as codedly possible for entire sparring matches like they were just holding down enter.
Some of these were veterans of 10+ years but were barely in character, let alone roleplaying to any kind of standard. I remember one guy would deliberately spar until poor or terrible condition (always telling people to continue when they tried to stop as soon as he was hurt) and then sleeping right there in the sparring hall for five minutes, waking up, and then sparring again. This player has 6 karma.
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Nov 8, 2014 14:39:11 GMT -5
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Post by sirra on Nov 8, 2014 14:39:11 GMT -5
Byn was supposed to be where people get that out of their system and learn to survive the damn game before getting into solo emote masturbatory flower picking and doing spice with house aides. Don't get all pretentious. How'd that work out? It worked out great. How's labeling clans which cater to newbies as 'twinkfests' and 'how not to RP' doing for you? Not everyone enjoys playing the game on their back, getting reamed by some nooblar, as you're well acquainted with. You know what's the difference between the Byn and your elitism? It actually attracts and keeps players until they realize how the other clans are operated. Everyone in the game has a right to know how to defend themselves, and to build a decent warrior, without getting smoke blown up their ass just to keep them on the bottom rung. Skilling up is the least important thing in the game. But abject failure and confusion on how to get to the point where you can survive a gith is what stops a lot of players from advancing. I played Arm for twelve years, and the parts of it involving the Byn were some of the best. All that barrel holding, and soup eating...That's just a phase most guys go through, after being killed about a dozen times. They want to become the killer rather than the killee. It's usually a much slower route to karma, admittedly, than rolling up a gypsy, bard or house aide and fucking your way through Tuluk. That was the surefire way to karma. |
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Nov 8, 2014 14:57:41 GMT -5
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Post by lyse on Nov 8, 2014 14:57:41 GMT -5
It worked out great. How's labeling clans which cater to newbies as 'twinkfests' and 'how not to RP' doing for you? Not everyone enjoys playing the game on their back, getting reamed by some nooblar, as you're well acquainted with. You know what's the difference between the Byn and your elitism? It actually attracts and keeps players until they realize how the other clans are operated. Everyone in the game has a right to know how to defend themselves, and to build a decent warrior, without getting smoke blown up their ass just to keep them on the bottom rung. Skilling up is the least important thing in the game. But abject failure and confusion on how to get to the point where you can survive a gith is what stops a lot of players from advancing. I played Arm for twelve years, and the parts of it involving the Byn were some of the best. All that barrel holding, and soup eating...That's just a phase most guys go through, after being killed about a dozen times. They want to become the killer rather than the killee. It's usually a much slower route to karma, admittedly, than rolling up a gypsy, bard or house aide and fucking your way through Tuluk. That was the surefire way to karma. 19 posts in and you already nailed me. I'm sorry. |
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Nov 8, 2014 15:08:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 15:08:13 GMT -5
The guy really hates aides.
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Nov 8, 2014 15:52:04 GMT -5
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Post by Patuk on Nov 8, 2014 15:52:04 GMT -5
Messing up the Byn really, really isn't going to stop people from twinking. It'll just drive them elsewhere. If you want to do something about twinks, do something about twinks. By messing up a clan you'll annoy your good RPers right along with them.
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Nov 8, 2014 16:13:06 GMT -5
Post by lyse on Nov 8, 2014 16:13:06 GMT -5
Messing up the Byn really, really isn't going to stop people from twinking. It'll just drive them elsewhere. If you want to do something about twinks, do something about twinks. By messing up a clan you'll annoy your good RPers right along with them. I guess a couple of people saying it was really that bad doesn't count for anything. Since we're talking about fixing it. How would you have fixed it? |
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Nov 8, 2014 16:19:53 GMT -5
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Post by Patuk on Nov 8, 2014 16:19:53 GMT -5
Screw over the twinks, make twinking less rewarding. Adding even a one percent miss chance across the board when fighting anything will remove the need for people to skill up in retarded ways. Demote people in leadership roles who advocate training with barrels of wine or bags of rocks and let more responsible people take their place. Skillcap the people who go too far in trying to skillup and do shit like sleep in training halls. While each of these ideas has some objectionable qualities, I would say they are all better in combating twinkishness than going 'hai sarge hire less people now'.
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Nov 8, 2014 16:56:44 GMT -5
Post by grumble on Nov 8, 2014 16:56:44 GMT -5
if u find some1 slepeng in spar hall 2 hele pls find ic raizen 2 stab.
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Nov 8, 2014 16:56:54 GMT -5
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Post by punished ppurg on Nov 8, 2014 16:56:54 GMT -5
Yeah, even a 5% chance, representing a roll of 1 on a d20, would help with the twinkishness.
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Nov 8, 2014 17:23:14 GMT -5
Post by BitterFlashback on Nov 8, 2014 17:23:14 GMT -5
Kuraci could be cool, if you found the exact perfect group playing it at the perfect moment before they got castrated. But Kadius was always a drag. Oh, you're a guard for Kadius? How'd you end up in such a boring piece of shit job? Tons of regulations AND nothing cool to go with it? Sign me up! IIRC, Adhira was the Kadian imm back when she was a storyteller. i mentioned that to a fellow oldbie who disagrees. it was a little over a decade ago, but could you confirm/deny if she was runnng Kadius at some point way back when? EDIT: timewise, this would be around when the idea fr Arm 2.0 was initially announced and earlier. As in when it first came up, not when they claimed it'd be ready in 6 months and everyone could play gith mindbenders. |
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Nov 8, 2014 18:02:14 GMT -5
Post by nyrsucks on Nov 8, 2014 18:02:14 GMT -5
The 'Byn get too much credit from some of you and not enough credit from others. They get the benefits of everyone ELSE's plots and not really having to spend much effort coming up with their own plots. Sure, when you get to participate in everything it is a more interesting clan. If the other clans weren't around to feed you plots, then it might be different.
I also don't think it's necessarily wrong to try and keep your men alive if you plan on making it a career there. It all depends on the contract. If it is a suicide mission and the sergeant knows it is a suicide mission, he should take it because OOC fun? Take my weak strength human trooper and five runners to hunt Mekillot? OK!
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Nov 8, 2014 18:59:57 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 18:59:57 GMT -5
Last time I was in the Byn, the sergeants and troopers were the ones teaching everyone how to twink. Stuff like sparring with three barrels in your inventory for penalties to better skill up, abusing mob AI to take them down safely with foraged rocks, bringing bowls of stew on patrols, and spamming disarm as fast as codedly possible for entire sparring matches like they were just holding down enter. Some of these were veterans of 10+ years but were barely in character, let alone roleplaying to any kind of standard. I remember one guy would deliberately spar until poor or terrible condition (always telling people to continue when they tried to stop as soon as he was hurt) and then sleeping right there in the sparring hall for five minutes, waking up, and then sparring again. This player has 6 karma. The barrel training method was stopped by imm fiat in 2009. Is your example five years old or more and a statement about what the five years since have been like? |
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Nov 8, 2014 19:05:15 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Nov 8, 2014 19:05:15 GMT -5
I think if the Byn taught such ineffective twinking tactics as carrying barrels (which the staff have claimed repeatedly doesn't work). It may have been a fake front for twinks to spread disinformation.
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